Yes that's what I was thinking. Scott On Jan 26, 2014 3:18 PM, "Remko Popma" <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Scott, > The way I interpreted Gary's idea was that based on user-specified custom > levels, we would generate an extension of the Logger interface that has a > method for each of the custom levels (well, actually 14 methods for each > level :-) ). > I haven't really thought about how users would specify their custom > levels, as long as the tool can know what methods to generate. > > We could go one step further and generate the Level subclass from > configuration as well. I suppose that would entail adding a new <Levels> > element, with sub-elements like <Level name="DETAIL" intLevel="450" />... > Is that what you are thinking of? > > I would be fine with that too, but would like to first focus on generating > the extended Logger interface. > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.de...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Is there a way to generate code/update the Levels enumeration so a new >> Level class isn't required? >> >> Would be great to be able to use logger.detail("Detail message"); >> >> Is that what you're thinking of, Remko? >> >> On 1/26/14, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: >> > I haven't done anything to directly do that. However, custom levels >> need to >> > be mapped to the standard levels in several places. It would be simple >> to >> > add support for that wherever you want it. >> Level.StdLevel.getStdLevel() is >> > the method used to do that. >> > >> > Ralph >> > >> > On Jan 26, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.de...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Are these serialization-wise going to be the same as standard levels? >> >> >> >> Receivers and apps like Chainsaw would benefit from not requiring the >> >> originating level class be included in the classpath. >> >> >> >> I'm thinking about socketreceiver and to a lesser extent >> >> logfilepatternreceiver. >> >> >> >> Scott >> >> On Jan 26, 2014 7:28 AM, "Scott Deboy" <scott.de...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So I assume we could build on this by adding the ability to generate >> these >> >> custom levels from the config, with no user provided class required? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 26, 2014 12:58 AM, "Ralph Goers" <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I have completed the work on custom levels. It uses a variation of >> >> > Nick's "extensible enum" class. The major difference with what he >> >> > proposed is that the custom enums must be declared in a class >> annotated >> >> > with @Plugin(name="xxxx" category="Level") for them to be usable >> during >> >> > configuration. >> >> > >> >> > Are their any objections to me checking this in? I'll be doing the >> >> > commit at around noon Pacific Daylight Time if I don't hear any. >> >> > >> >> > Ralph >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Jan 25, 2014, at 7:08 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I am working on the implementation of custom levels now. I should >> have >> >> >> it done today. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ralph >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 24, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> What is the best way to make progress on the custom levels >> >> >>> implementation? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Do we re-open LOG4J-41 or start a fresh Jira ticket? For >> >> >>> implementation ideas, do we attach files to Jira, or create a >> branch? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Remko >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Saturday, January 25, 2014, Gary Gregory < >> garydgreg...@gmail.com> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Remko Popma < >> remko.po...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Gary, >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> The hard-coded levels were proposed because it seemed that the >> >> >>>>> extensible enum idea raised by Nick was not going to be accepted. >> >> >>>>> My original position was that Markers could fulfill the >> requirement >> >> >>>>> but Nick and yourself made it clear that this was not >> satisfactory. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> With extensible enums and markers off the table it seemed that >> the >> >> >>>>> hard-coded levels was the only alternative, and discussion ensued >> >> >>>>> about what these levels should be called and what strength they >> >> >>>>> should have. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> During this discussion, several people, including me, repeatedly >> >> >>>>> expressed strong reservations about adding pre-defined levels, >> but >> >> >>>>> by this time I think people were thinking there was no >> alternative. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> It looked like we were getting stuck, with half the group moving >> in >> >> >>>>> one direction ("add pre-defined levels!") and the other half >> wanting >> >> >>>>> to move in another direction ("don't add pre-defined levels!"). I >> >> >>>>> asked that we re-reviewed our assumptions and try to reach a >> >> >>>>> solution that would satisfy all users. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> We then decided to explore the option of using extensible enums >> >> >>>>> again. This is still ongoing, but I haven't seen anyone arguing >> >> >>>>> against this idea since we started this thread. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Hard-coded levels and the extensible enum are different >> solutions to >> >> >>>>> the same problem. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Hello All: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Absolutely not. See my DEFCON example. >> >> >>>> Talking about an "extensible enum" is mixing design and >> >> >>>> implementation, we are talking about 'custom' and/or 'extensible' >> >> >>>> levels. >> >> >>>> Custom/Extensible levels can be designed to serve one or all of: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> - Allow inserting custom levels between built-in levels. >> >> >>>> - Allow for domain specific levels outside of the concept of >> built-in >> >> >>>> levels, the DEFCON example. >> >> >>>> - Should the custom levels themselves be extensible? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Gary >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> The extensible enum solution satisfies all of us who are opposed >> to >> >> >>>>> adding pre-defined levels, while also satisfying the original >> >> >>>>> requirement raised by Nick and yourself. Frankly I don't >> understand >> >> >>>>> why you would still want the pre-defined levels. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Remko >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:53 AM, Gary Gregory >> >> >>>>> <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Remko Popma >> >> >>>>>> <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Gary, >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> I think that's a very cool idea! >> >> >>>>>>> Much more flexible, powerful and elegant than pre-defined >> levels >> >> >>>>>>> could ever be. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> As I wrote: "I am discussing custom levels here with the >> >> >>>>>> understanding that this is a separate topic from what the >> built-in >> >> >>>>>> levels are." >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> I'm not sure why you want to make the features mutually >> exclusive. >> >> >>>>>> (Some) others agree that these are different features. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> I see two topics: >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> - What are the default levels for a 21st century logging >> framework. >> >> >>>>>> Do we simply blindly copy Log4j 1? Or do we look at frameworks >> from >> >> >>>>>> different languages and platforms for inspiration? >> >> >>>>>> - How (not if, I think we all agree) should we allow for custom >> >> >>>>>> levels. >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> Gary >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> It definitely makes sense to design the extensible enum with >> this >> >> >>>>>>> potential usage in mind. >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> Remko >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>> On Friday, January 24, 2014, Gary Gregory < >> garydgreg...@gmail.com> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> I am discussing custom levels here with the understanding that >> >> >>>>>>>> this is a separate topic from what the built-in levels are. >> Here >> >> >>>>>>>> is how I convinced myself that custom levels are a "good >> thing". >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> No matter which built-in levels exits, I may want custom >> levels. >> >> >>>>>>>> For example, I want my app to use the following levels >> DEFCON1, >> >> >>>>>>>> DEFCON2, DEFCON3, DEFCON4, and DEFCON5. This might be for one >> >> >>>>>>>> part of my app or a whole subsystem, no matter, I want to use >> the >> >> >>>>>>>> built-in levels in addition to the DEFCON levels. It is worth >> >> >>>>>>>> mentioning that if I want that feature only as a user, I can >> >> >>>>>>>> "skin" levels in a layout and assign any label to the built-in >> >> >>>>>>>> levels. If I am also a developer, I want to use DEFCON levels >> in >> >> >>>>>>>> the source code. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> At first, my code might look like: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> logger.log(DefconLevels.DEFCON5, "All is quiet"); >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Let's put aside for now the type of DefconLevels.DEFCON* >> objects. >> >> >>>>>>>> I am a user, and I care about my call sites. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> What I really want of course is to write: >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> defconLogger.defcon5("All is quiet") >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Therefore, I argue that for any "serious" use of a custom >> level, >> >> >>>>>>>> I will wrap a Logger in a custom logger class providing >> call-site >> >> >>>>>>>> friendly methods like defcon5(String). >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> So now, as a developer, all I care about is DefConLogger. It >> >> >>>>>>>> might wrap (or subclass) the Log4J Logger, who knows. The >> >> >>>>>>>> implementation of DefConLogger is not important to the >> developer >> >> >>>>>>>> (all I care is that the class has 'defconN' method) but it is >> >> >>>>>>>> important to the configuration author. This tells me that as a >> >> >>>>>>>> developer I do not care how DefConLogger is implemented, with >> >> >>>>>>>> custom levels, markers, or elves. However, as configuration >> >> >>>>>>>> author, I also want to use DEFCON level just like the built-in >> >> >>>>>>>> levels. >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>> The configuration code co >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org >> >> >>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition >> >> >>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition >> >> >>>> Spring Batch in Action >> >> >>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >> >> >>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >> >> >>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org >> >> >