On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> wrote:
> INITIALIZING makes sense to me > Done; in Git master. Gary > > > Ralph > > On Sep 1, 2015, at 12:29 AM, Remko Popma <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you want the naming to be consistent, then why not INITIALIZING? > > That gives you > <state>ING and <state>ED for all states. > > But I'm fine with just INITIAL as well. > > Remko > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2015/09/01, at 15:32, "Dominik Psenner" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Agreeing with Gary. To me „INITIAL“ is not what this state means and it is > too familiar with “INITIALIZED”. One can easily misread and mix up the two > states. Something like “ALLOCATED”, “INITIALIZE_ME”, “UNINITIALIZED”, .. > would be more to the point. But that’s again my subjective impression. > > > > Dominik > > > > *Von:* Ralph Goers [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] > *Gesendet:* 31 August 2015 23:58 > *An:* Log4J Developers List <[email protected]> > *Betreff:* Re: org.apache.logging.log4j.core.LifeCycle.State.INITIAL > > > > To me, “Initial” means the component is in its initial state, whatever > that is. Presumably that means the constructor ran but other things still > need to happen before it can be started. Another way to look at it is that > “initial” means the object has been constructed but initialize() has not > yet been called. > > > > Ralph > > > > On Aug 31, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well, that's what I am asking, "better" is subjective ;-). When I see > INITIAL, I think that something happened to make it INITIAL, IOW I do not > feel much a difference with INITIALIZED. Maybe it's just me that needs > convincing. > > > > What are we trying to convey here? That "new" happened? IOW the ctor was > called? Which should mean the object is initialized. Usually, decent design > says that when you build an object with a ctor, you should initialize it, > but here, of course, with builders, we are in a different situation. Maybe > ALLOCATED happens before INITIALIZED? I kinda like ALLOCATED, it says "I've > been built at a low level but I might be ready to go; put some gas in the > engine before you tirn the key". > > > > Gary > > > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> > wrote: > > How are either of those “better”? > > > > Ralph > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm not all in on the name for this new state. We now have: > > > > INITIAL > > INITIALIZED > > STARTED > > STARTING > > STOPPED > > STOPPING > > > > Instead of INITIAL, how about NEW or UNINITIALIZED or...? > > > > Gary > > > > -- > > E-Mail: [email protected] | [email protected] > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > Home: http://garygregory.com/ > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > > > > > > > > -- > > E-Mail: [email protected] | [email protected] > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > Home: http://garygregory.com/ > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > > > > -- E-Mail: [email protected] | [email protected] Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com Home: http://garygregory.com/ Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
