On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> wrote:
> We really need to document what we want to strive to maintain > compatibility with in core. Basic components like Appenders and their > managers, Filters, Layouts, & Lookups or pretty much any Plugin type would > be at the top of my list. > Bleh, then we need to mark methods in some @tag-way in Javadocs. Gary > > Ralph > > On Sep 7, 2016, at 11:05 AM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Remko Popma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> We should do this before starting the 2.7 release. >> If we are serious about being the replacement for Log4j 1.2 we should not >> break user code for no good reason. >> > > What does this have to do with 1.2? > > Gary > >> >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Remko Popma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think that would be good. >>> >>> Based on the number of Jira tickets being filed we are beginning to see >>> increased uptake. Programmatic configuration is used surprisingly often. >>> Leaving the factory methods in with some reasonable default for the missing >>> parameters ensures existing users can smoothly upgrade. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2016/09/07, at 3:03, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> All the commits that removed deprecated factory methods it sounds like. >>> >>> On 6 September 2016 at 13:00, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Should we revert those commits? There's still time. >>>>> >>>> >>>> What commit? Do you mean to add back factory methods? >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3 September 2016 at 01:12, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps we shouldn’t have. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ralph >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We've already removed several deprecated factories in this upcoming >>>>>> release, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 September 2016 at 06:28, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine >>>>>> .com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Remko, let's keep them unless they are in the way. We >>>>>>> can remove all of them in Log4j 3.0. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Remko Popma <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It was mentioned on a mailing list or twitter conversation with >>>>>>>> maintainers of another Apache project that one of the reasons they >>>>>>>> hesitate >>>>>>>> to migrate to Log4j is that they worry we will break binary >>>>>>>> compatibility. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Removing the factory methods just because we deprecated them seems >>>>>>>> a bit harsh. >>>>>>>> It's not like it's a huge maintenance effort to keep them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would not remove the deprecated factory methods unless they >>>>>>>> actively prevent us from doing something we want to do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Remko >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016/09/02, at 6:29, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, Java seems to have a policy of waiting at least 10 years, if >>>>>>>> ever…. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seriously, I don’t think 1 minor release is enough as that might >>>>>>>> very well be the next release. I’d say 2 minor releases and at least 6 >>>>>>>> months. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that when you add a builder and deprecate the factory, you >>>>>>>> should remove it in the next 2.x release. Otherwise, deprecation has no >>>>>>>> point if there's no version with the deprecation specified. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1 September 2016 at 13:40, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When can we delete factory methods that are deprecated by builders? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> E-Mail: [email protected] | [email protected] >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition >>>>>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> >>>>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> >>>>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> >>>>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com >>>>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ >>>>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> [image: MagineTV] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Mikael Ståldal* >>>>>>> Senior software developer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Magine TV* >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> Grev Turegatan 3 | 114 46 Stockholm, Sweden | www.magine.com >>>>>>> <http://www.magine.com/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Privileged and/or Confidential Information may be contained in this >>>>>>> message. 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