Jim,
Requiring ANT to be installed is a reasonable. That's the way we had it for until now.
However, having a batch script where you just type "build" is nicer. A bit more
complicated to write, yes, but much easier for the log4j newbie. It's important to
give positive feedback to the user as soon as possible. It's the first impression
thing.
Cheers, Ceki
At 17:30 14.03.2001 -0500, Jim Moore wrote:
>I'm very much in favor of simply making it a requirement that if you want to
>compile log4j (as oppsed to simply using it) then you have to have ant
>installed. It's no different than the requirement that a Java compiler is
>installed or that cvs is installed to get things from the CVS repository,
>and it GREATLY simplifies many things (totally removes the need to provide
>your own shell or batch scripts, doesn't require redownloading something
>that the person probably already has installed, etc.). Then, again, you can
>have support libraries (those that can be redistributed) "gettable" from an
>ant task. Makes things much simpler and faster for both the user and the
>maintainer.
>
>-Jim Moore
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 6:01 AM
>To: LOG4J Users Mailing List; LOG4J Users Mailing List
>Subject: Re: Build log4j is a PITA
>
>
>At 10:00 14.03.2001 +0100, Anders Kristensen wrote:
>
>>Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>>>
>>> the main advantage of this is that the build doesn't depend on the user's
>classpath environmental variable. this makes the build
>>> much more portable.
>>
>>But then log4j has to ship with all libraries it depends on - which is
>>quite a few. And also, there is no guarantee that the versions of these
>>libraries match what log4j users use themselves, i.e. log4j compilation
>>could work and then using resulting jar files might fail because they
>>depend on newer versions of libs.
>
>Absolutely. That's the down side of adding libraries to the distribution &
>CVS. The plus side is that the user is freed from fetching these libraries
>herself.
>
>To mitigate these concerns, we could perhaps start by including only ANT and
>an XML parser in the distrib+CVS. That way the time between a retrieving the
>log4j and building could be just a few seconds instead of a few minutes.
>Comments? Ceki
>
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I hope to see you at my ApacheCon 2001 presentation
entitled "Log4j, A Logging Package for Java".
See http://ApacheCon.Com/2001/US/ for more details.
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