Thanks. I'll try it.  A lot of my code that is in production still only
"works pretty well". :-)

Also, did I do anything wrong with my enhancement submission? (I understand
if everyone is busy, etc but I was just wondering if I did something wrong.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:16 PM
To: 'Log4J Users List'
Subject: RE: An odd configuration need...


If you want my own personal opinion (and not those of the log4j dev team as
a whole, although feel free to step in), I would place the CVS HEAD of log4j
in the "works pretty well" category, so somewhere after "basically works"
but maybe a touch before "works well".  

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Stauffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: 'Log4J Users List'
> Subject: RE: An odd configuration need...
> 
> 
> When I develop new code there are 3 stages (at least): in 
> flux, basically
> works, and works well.  I understand that it won't be 
> released until it
> works well but I don't want to use it if the parts I need are 
> still in flux.
> If they basically work then I would consider it.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Stauffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:04 PM
> To: 'Log4J Users List'
> Subject: RE: An odd configuration need...
> 
> 
> Often for a new release the code starts out with a lot of 
> change and then
> gradually stabilizes until release.  It would be good to know 
> about how
> stable the code is.  I realize that there are no guarantees 
> and I don't
> expect any.  I just want an honest estimation of how 
> stable/complete it is.
> Do the basic use cases work?  Does everything but component X 
> work?  Is
> there a TODO list?
> There are some things in 1.3 that I would like to have (like 
> the new rolling
> classes) so I'll give it a shot.  BTW I submitted a bugzilla 
> issue for a new
> file but I haven't gotten any response.  Did I do anything wrong?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:55 PM
> To: 'Log4J Users List'
> Subject: RE: An odd configuration need...
> 
> 
> > Good point.  Is there a list of known issues with 1.3 (so I 
> > can check if I
> > need to fix anything before I use it)?  One thing is that 
> > there may be a
> > danger that some "interface" will change from now to 
> release that will
> > require changes to how we use it -- pre-release software is 
> > often more in a
> > state of flux and may require more work to keep up.  What is 
> > the state of
> > 1.3?  How are people using it?
> 
> Yes, you have some good points there.  I don't think we could 
> _guarantee_
> that an interface might change, but I would think that it is 
> incredibly
> unlikely at this point.  The only foreseeable changes would 
> be additional
> objects/components or methods.  But again, I can't give you 
> that 100% money
> back guarantee.
> 
> You can always look at the new things in 1.3 that you are 
> interested in (new
> Rolling architecture), have a look at the  test cases that 
> Ceki has written
> for them and make an evaluation as to how stable it looks.  
> My vote would be
> that this area is looking very good.  
> 
> You can then do your own testing, and provide us any 
> feedback. You can even
> make the fixes and send us the patches from your experience!  :)
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Paul Smith
> 
> 
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