On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How are users currently able to set the log level to OFF? Do they modify > the config? > Right, isn't the only way to enforce this is to override the config file programatically? Gary > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 2015/08/26, at 11:35, Nicholas Duane <nic...@msn.com> wrote: > > > > It just dawned on me that my solution of redefining OFF to the INFO > level only addresses the case of someone setting the level to OFF. Someone > could set the level to ERROR. > > As I mentioned, what I'm trying to do is enforce, via configuration > only, not being able to turn of logging of INFO and below levels. > > Thanks,Nick > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Nicholas Duane <nic...@msn.com> > > Date: 08/25/2015 7:46 PM (GMT-07:00) > > To: Log4J Users List <log4j-user@logging.apache.org> > > Subject: RE: redefining existing levels? > > > > Yes and no. The user might know how to turn on/off logging, but they > might not understand what the enterprise is wanting to do. We would like > to make it hard, if not impossible, to turn off logging of INFO and below > (or above for .NET) events. So even if something thinks they should turn > off logging and sets the level to "OFF" we still want INFO and below to be > logged. > > > > Thanks, > > Nick > > > >> Subject: Re: redefining existing levels? > >> From: remko.po...@gmail.com > >> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:25:09 +0900 > >> To: log4j-user@logging.apache.org > >> > >> Could you explain a bit more about your use case before we zoom in on a > specific solution? > >> > >> I'd like to understand better what you mean by [if someone sets the > level to "OFF"]? > >> What is the scenario? Someone logs into the server and modifies the > configuration and makes a mistake? Or is this a client distributed to your > users' PCs and they may modify the configuration? > >> > >> It sounds like you are trying to protect against human error; is that > the case? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On 2015/08/26, at 8:37, Nicholas Duane <nic...@msn.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> No. Redefining existing levels is to help ensure we have "24x7" > logging always on. So even if someone sets the level to "OFF" we still get > INFO and above. Basically we'll have levels higher (or lower based on what > platform we're talking about) than INFO OFF by default and only turn them > on when needed. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Nick > >>> > >>>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:33:34 +0900 > >>>> Subject: Re: redefining existing levels? > >>>> From: remko.po...@gmail.com > >>>> To: log4j-user@logging.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> Is redefining levels a way to work around the issue you had with the > range > >>>> check? > >>>> I've replied to your range check question with a link to an example > config. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com > > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Well, let's all work together to get you up and running. Hopefully > we'll > >>>>> get other devs to keep chiming in. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Gary > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Nicholas Duane <nic...@msn.com> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I will get to that. However, I assume that works as that's > documented > >>>>>> pretty well. So I'm looking at the other things which may or may > not > >>>>> work > >>>>>> as I have to find out what blocking issues we're going to run into. > >>>>>> Redefining existing levels is one. I sent the other email regarding > >>>>> range > >>>>>> level filter as we also need that to work. It works in .NET. So > far > >>>>> it's > >>>>>> looking like I'll need to write my own filter for log4j2 in order > to get > >>>>>> range level filtering working. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Nick > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:54:08 -0700 > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: redefining existing levels? > >>>>>>> From: garydgreg...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> To: log4j-user@logging.apache.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ah, well, let's start with the documented stuff we know should > work ;-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Gary > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Nicholas Duane <nic...@msn.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks. I assumed my 'BUSINESS' level is working using the > >>>>>> <CustomLevel>, > >>>>>>>> though I haven't tried it yet as I was trying to validate > redefining > >>>>>>>> existing level. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> Nick > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:32:01 -0700 > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: redefining existing levels? > >>>>>>>>> From: garydgreg...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>> To: log4j-user@logging.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Nick, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Your BUSINESS level should be configurable per > >>>>> > https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/manual/customloglevels.html#DefiningLevelsInConfiguration > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I can't look into the rest ATM. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Gary > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Nicholas Duane <nic...@msn.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I guess I should have mentioned, though it's probably obvious, > >>>>>> that I'm > >>>>>>>>>> only interested in a configuration based solution. I'm not > >>>>> looking > >>>>>>>> for a > >>>>>>>>>> code solution. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>> Nick > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> From: nic...@msn.com > >>>>>>>>>> To: log4j-user@logging.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: redefining existing levels? > >>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:05:47 -0400 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. I've seen that documentation and it > >>>>> appears > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>> geared toward defining (NEW) custom levels. It doesn't mention > >>>>>>>> anything > >>>>>>>>>> about redefining existing log4j2 levels. I also tried it and so > >>>>>> far > >>>>>>>> in my > >>>>>>>>>> testing it doesn't seem to work. Below is a snippet of my > >>>>>> config. By > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> way, you'll see that I am currently trying the <CustomLevel> and > >>>>>>>> <level>. > >>>>>>>>>> At first I had just tried <CustomLevel> but it didn't appear to > >>>>>> work > >>>>>>>> so I > >>>>>>>>>> thought I would put the same elements I have in my .NET config > >>>>>> which > >>>>>>>> work. > >>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately it still doesn't work. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>> <level> > >>>>>>>>>> <name value="OFF"/> > >>>>>>>>>> <value value="500"/> > >>>>>>>>>> </level> > >>>>>>>>>> <CustomLevels> > >>>>>>>>>> <CustomLevel name="OFF" intLevel="500"/> > >>>>>>>>>> </CustomLevels> > >>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>> <Loggers> > >>>>>>>>>> <Logger name="HelloWorld" level="OFF"> > >>>>>>>>>> <AppenderRef ref="debug"/> > >>>>>>>>>> </Logger> > >>>>>>>>>> <Root> > >>>>>>>>>> </Root> > >>>>>>>>>> </Loggers> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I then set my logger level to "OFF" and didn't see any debug > >>>>> events > >>>>>>>> show > >>>>>>>>>> up. If I set the level to "DEBUG" they show up in the log. The > >>>>>> docs > >>>>>>>> say > >>>>>>>>>> that DEBUG is set to 500, so me setting OFF to 500 and then > >>>>>> setting the > >>>>>>>>>> level on my logger to OFF should have allowed the debug events > to > >>>>>> flow > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> the log file, correct? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>> Nick > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:50:32 -0700 > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: redefining existing levels? > >>>>>>>>>>> From: garydgreg...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>> To: log4j-user@logging.apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Nicholas, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, please see > >>>>> https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/manual/customloglevels.html > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> If the documentation can be improved, please let us know how. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Gary > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Nicholas Duane < > >>>>> nic...@msn.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can existing log4j2 levels be redefined? I'm able to do this > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> log4net. > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any documentation telling me that I can do > >>>>>> it, > >>>>>>>>>> however, > >>>>>>>>>>>> there was none telling me I could do it for .NET either. I > >>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>> happen to > >>>>>>>>>>>> stumble upon a post which eluded to it. Here is what I've > >>>>>> done in > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>> log4net config file: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <configuration> > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> <log4net> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <level> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <name value="Off"/> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <value value="40000"/> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <level> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <level> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <name value="Business"/> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <value value="130000"/> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <level> > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> </log4net> > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>> </configuration> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see I created my own 'Business' level. I also > >>>>>> redefined > >>>>>>>>>> Off to > >>>>>>>>>>>> 40000 which happens to be the INFO level. This makes it such > >>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>>> set the level to Off they will still receive INFO and higher > >>>>>> level > >>>>>>>>>> events. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can the same thing be done in log4j2? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Nick > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > >>>>>>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition < > >>>>>> http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > >>>>>>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > >>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > >>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org > >>>>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > >>>>>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > >>>>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition < > http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > >>>>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > >>>>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > >>>>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ > >>>>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org > >>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > >>>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > >>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > >>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > >>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > >>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ > >>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org > >>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > >>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > >>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> > >>>>> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> > >>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > >>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ > >>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-user-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-user-h...@logging.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-user-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-user-h...@logging.apache.org > > -- E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> JUnit in Action, Second Edition <http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/> Spring Batch in Action <http://www.manning.com/templier/> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com Home: http://garygregory.com/ Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
