I agree they should be able to say not to use Netty, but if I had Netty on the 
classpath I am pretty sure I’d want to use that by default.

Ralph

> On Jan 20, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I do not like this kind of magic because I might have Netty on the CP due
> to a different dependency and should then still be able to not use Netty. I
> would want a setting that says "use netty" or that says "use an instance of
> foo for the manager".
> 
> Gary
> On Jan 20, 2016 8:35 AM, "Ralph Goers" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>> In thinking about this some more we really shouldn’t need a new Appender.
>> Just a different SocketManager implementation. The createSocketManager
>> method just needs to check for the presence of some Netty class.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Gary Gregory <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Ralph Goers <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My first thought would be to create a more advanced socket appender that
>>>> uses netty.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've used Netty before at work and it is certainly fancy; just for
>>> completeness there is also Apache Mina.
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Blake Day <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can send more messages, but for a period of time after the socket
>>>> closes, messages are discarded. Is there any way to queue (and block)
>> the
>>>> messages until the socket has been re-established?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/19/16, 7:40 PM, "Ralph Goers" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This shows the SocketAppender threw an exception because the
>> connection
>>>> was closed. The exception was caught by the AppenderControl, which
>> re-threw
>>>> it as an AppenderLoggingException.  That exception would have been
>> caught
>>>> by the AsyncAppender, which then ignored it.  The SocketAppender then
>>>> re-established the connection, so it isn’t dying. You should still be
>>>> able to send more messages.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Blake Day <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m having trouble getting additional debug messages, but I did get
>>>> the following logs with immediateFail=true on the SocketAppender only.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> By the way, I’m using an AsyncAppender. Would that cause the error
>>>> handling to work differently?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2016-01-19 18:30:11,995 AsyncAppender-ASYNC-SYSLOG ERROR Unable to
>>>> write to stream TCP:localhost:601 for appender SYSLOG
>>>>>>> 2016-01-19 18:30:11,996 AsyncAppender-ASYNC-SYSLOG ERROR An exception
>>>> occurred processing Appender SYSLOG
>>>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.AppenderLoggingException: Error
>>>> writing to TCP:localhost:601
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.net.TcpSocketManager.write(TcpSocketManager.java:140)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.OutputStreamManager.write(OutputStreamManager.java:136)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.AbstractOutputStreamAppender.append(AbstractOutputStreamAppender.java:105)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.AppenderControl.tryCallAppender(AppenderControl.java:152)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.AppenderControl.callAppender0(AppenderControl.java:125)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.AppenderControl.callAppenderPreventRecursion(AppenderControl.java:116)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.AppenderControl.callAppender(AppenderControl.java:84)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.AsyncAppender$AsyncThread.callAppenders(AsyncAppender.java:308)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.appender.AsyncAppender$AsyncThread.run(AsyncAppender.java:261)
>>>>>>> Caused by: java.net.SocketException: Broken pipe
>>>>>>>  at java.net.SocketOutputStream.socketWrite0(Native Method)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> java.net.SocketOutputStream.socketWrite(SocketOutputStream.java:109)
>>>>>>>  at java.net.SocketOutputStream.write(SocketOutputStream.java:153)
>>>>>>>  at
>>>> 
>> org.apache.logging.log4j.core.net.TcpSocketManager.write(TcpSocketManager.java:131)
>>>>>>>  ... 8 more
>>>>>>> 2016-01-19 18:30:52,941 Thread-42 DEBUG Connection to localhost:601
>>>> reestablished.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 1/19/16, 4:59 PM, "Ralph Goers" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can you enable the debug logging so we can see what is happening in
>>>> the Appender?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Blake Day <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, on further investigation, it appears that the thread does
>> not
>>>> die. But the subsequent log messages are lost from the syslog side.  I
>>>> found https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-122, but I am not
>> sure
>>>> what to make of it.  I’ve also tried playing with immediateFail and
>>>> reconnectionDelayMillis, but nothing seems to have the effect I want.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/19/16, 2:36 PM, "Blake Day" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m using SocketAppender to log to syslog-ng.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> When logging a message that exceeds 8192 bytes (a syslog-ng
>>>> setting), syslog-ng gives an error and closes the connection.  What
>> happens
>>>> immediately after is unclear, but it appears that the java thread just
>> dies
>>>> silently.  The thread itself is a quartz scheduler worker thread, but I
>>>> thought I’d ask here to see whether you guys think this is a log4j
>>>> related issue.  There are no java application logs (console or
>> otherwise)
>>>> to suggest what happened.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the output from syslog-ng’s side:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2016-01-19T14:26:34-05:00 ERR syslog-ng[87462]: - Incoming frame
>>>> larger than log_msg_size(); log_msg_size='8192', frame_length='100233'
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2016-01-19T14:26:34-05:00 NOTICE syslog-ng[87462]: - Syslog
>>>> connection closed; fd='34', client='AF_INET(127.0.0.1:10142)',
>>>> local='AF_INET(0.0.0.0:601)'
>>>>>>>>> 
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