On 8/26/08, Jonathan Duddington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 26 Aug, Stephen Pollei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > for jbo_list the fix was easy I simply deleted most of it. <numbers>
>
> > was all that was maybe needed. lojban should be a phometic language
> > so all the other things probably was just causing issues.
> You need the entries in jbo_list for the consonant letters "b", "t",
> etc. If text contains a single consonant letter (as a one-letter
> word), it needs an added vowel to pronounce it. Otherwise (with some
> letters) you hear only a click.
Sure but lojban is suppose to be phometic and AVI(audio Visual
Isomorphic) if a writter didn't put a y after by or a bu after a ,
then it's not espeak's task to do so.
>
>
> > for jbo_rules I simply added pausing rules for things that begin with
> > vowels. dj and tc shouldn't need special rules.
>
>
> Translating "tc" to phonemes [t] + [S] is intelligible, but I expect
> that the single phoneme [tS] sounds better. Try it, and compare.
Yes I didn't test it at all. And I will have to have others tests as well.
> > gi'V shouldn't need
> > extra help . l and r should need the extra stuff they have and n
> > doesn't change based on if g or k follows it. the pausing rules and
> > word boundary rules for lojban are probably complex enough that a
> > special front end should be created to split words and insert
> > mandatory pauses(".") were needed.
>
>
> Can you suggest a set of rules?
I can refer you to some rules, I'm in hurry right now. I did notice
that if I add pause after words that end in consonat that is great
improvement.
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=195
The Hills Are Alive With The Sounds Of Lojban
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=194
# The Shape Of Words To Come: Lojban Morphology
both are chapters from
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar&bl
also over night I thought that a pause after vocatives and a few
others places where cmene show up would help even if it sometimes puts
pauses where they aren't needed. la, lai, doi, coi, co'o putting pause
after them might be useful.
>
>
> > Also stress in lojban is based on brivla Vs cmavo Vs. cmene ,
>
>
> Sorry, but I'm not familiar with most of the Lojban technical terms
> such as "brivla".
yes it's in word morphology , basicly unless it's more than two
syllables, have consonant cluster within first 5 letters, and ends in
a vowel then it's unstressed by default . However AEIOU are the
stressed vowel markers . I wouldn't worry about it for now.
also dotside says all cmene should have a pause before them. don't
worry to much about that for now.
>
>
> > and if a capital letter is put in there.
> > special front end should probably do stress markings as well.
>
> > Truth be told I didn't compile or test any of these changes and I
> > wanted opinion from some who are more knowlegdable than me to comment
> > and test.
>
>
> Experiment. Make changes, compile the data, and listen to how it
> sounds.
Yes I'm not done I can see how much I can do without putting in a
preprocesor or changing your c++ code. I will also need some help from
a few people that know lojban better than me. I think I have a few
ideas though. It's still very much a wip .
> For spoken language we need to pause in suitable places. For eSpeak
> English, this includes at commas, brackets, quotation marks, and before
> some words (usually conjunctions). Also some common function words
> should be unstressed so that the speech flows in a more natural way.
yes in lojban only the period is a pause. and it has it's own pecular
stress rules.
a comma can be used to show syllable boundaries. brackets, qoutes,etc
have words not pauses associated with them.
>
> Lojban doesn't use commas, but it should be possible to identify
> clauses, and therefore put pauses in the appropriate places.
> The rule for "gi'" + vowel is an attempt to identify an end-of-clause.
yes that might be helpful, even if the lojban rules don't stricly need
them. I will ask what the opinion of the lojban experts are on that.
