Tragic as the reported situation is, the only comment I would make is that I would never walk between two vehicles when the engine of one of them is running (I never do so in a car park or when walking between parked cars at the kerb, for example), as it is very easy for the driver's foot to slip off of the brake or clutch pedal.
The accident appears to have been caused by a defective vehicle, and this should have been picked up during normal maintenance checks / driver reports, so there is undoubtedly a failing in that respect. Peter R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John King" <[email protected]> To: "London Bus Scene" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 11:28 PM Subject: [London Bus Scene] Re: UNO States the obvious I don't suppose you would see the point in any H&S which would have prevented this accident, I suppose it should all have been left to common sense of the parties involved. http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2009/coilon1812.htm John King. . On 26 Dec, 15:51, "Peter Relf" <[email protected]> wrote: > I still don't see the point. Just bureaucracy for the sake of it. It > really is high time that someone had the guts to call a halt to all this > kind of nonsense. > > Peter R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Carr > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 3:37 PM > Subject: RE: [London Bus Scene] UNO States the obvious > > The risk assessment is carried out primarily to satisfy TFL requirements > before granting of any LSP. > > These can be lengthy and costly to do but until TFL are satisfied they > won't grant a permit. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [London Bus Scene] UNO States the obvious > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:00:48 +0000 > > Ken > > That may be the case, but you cannot devise a "risk assessment" to cover > every eventuality when driving a vehicle. It will only cover some examples > of potential "risks" - which will be the obvious ones anyway, so there is > no point. It can also be counter-productive, as "spoon-feeding" poeple > with instructions in this way can turn them into mere robots, leaving them > less prepared to think for themselves when other eventualities arise. They > are then likely to turn round and say "well, that wasn't covered in tbe > risk assessment I was given " ! > > Teaching "Defensive driving " (i.e. being prepared all the time for > everyone else on the road and pavements to do daft things) + "Common > sense" will cover 99% of eventualities. The other 1% will just happen, no > matter what planning takes place in advance. > > Peter R. > > (who also abhors those stupid "maximum speed limit" sign on bends - as > there is no one safe speed on a bend for all vehicles. It depends on the > type of vehicle, and road/weather conditions.). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Lansdowne > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [London Bus Scene] UNO States the obvious > > By law any company above a certain size has to prepare risk assessments. > Most of the ones I come across relate to workshops and construction sites, > but for a bus company the routes they work are the driver's workplace, and > I suspect Uno are not alone in having a document of this type. Many risk > assessments are just common sense, but in the event of an incident the > company can make a better defence if they have a risk assessment in place. > > Ken Lansdowne > > The M&D & East Kent Bus Clubwww.mdekbusclub.org.uk > Wales Bus Photoswww.walesbuspics.fotopic.net > Kens Bus Photoswww.kensbuspics.fotopic.net > Kens Digital Bus Photoswww.kensbusdigital.fotopic.net > South East Bus fleetswww.southeastfleets.fotopic.net > UK Coach Photoswww.ukcoachphotos.fotopic.net > Any photograph attached to this message is copyright © Ken Lansdowne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Horrex > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [London Bus Scene] UNO States the obvious > > Yes indeed, Peter. > > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Relf > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: [London Bus Scene] UNO States the obvious > > It can all be summarised in two words: "Common sense". Anyone who needs to > read that booklet shouldn't be on the road in the first place, and > certainly not behind the wheel of a bus ! > > Peter R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Horrex > To: a - UK Bus Photo ; a - London Bus Scene > Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:31 PM > Subject: [London Bus Scene] UNO States the obvious > > I wont send all 8 pages of this A4 booklet to the group, just page 6 > attached. The whole 8 pages can be seen on my flickr > site:http://flickr.com/photos/britishbuses/ > > I hate to think how much money UNO wasted on this Risk Assessment > exercise, given that it was probably not done in house and an outside firm > had to be paid! > > The response to just about every hazzard is 'Reduce speed x y z' What a > waste of money! > > Peter Horrex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "London Bus Scene" group. 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