On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 11:06:50AM +0000, Peter Corlett wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 10:53:37AM +0000, Dean Wilson wrote:
> [...]
> > How many Java coders do you know who use tools like Linux and Emacs/Vi?
>
> emacs/jdk does just fine for the rare occasion that I risk Java.
I agree, i'm using xemacs and the Sun java kit to learn java. Kaffe's ok
if a little buggy (Seems to Segfault a lot with the java.IO stuff) and one
of my co-workers is using the IBM kit and emacs. My issue is that the
people who are touted as java professionals use the first IDE they find,
and not becuase they really like it but because of the effort it would take
to become competent with both.
> letting the language fix it for you? And c++-mode is good for CSS?
Hummm something else to try out :)
> Java's an interesting enough OO language that has been throttled by
> marketing, nasty syntax, and poor JVM implementations. If Java had less
> verbose and slow regexen, ararys and hashes, supported the OS better instead
> of abstracting everything to look like a uniform computer, it'd probably be
> quite fun.
Java doesn't seem to know where it belongs. Perl fits everywhere but thats
both a rarity and a stroke of luck for perl coders :) Java trys to be both
a high level and a low level language and reaps none of the benefits and
all of the hinderences. And yet i'm still persisting in trying to learn it.
Maybe thats its niche, its a language for people who like pain. That and
country music.
> I guess there's a JPAN out there somewhere, but I've never cared to look.
It's still in the planning phase :) (Anyone whos done java and UML should
appreciate that ;))
Dean
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