On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Simon Wistow wrote:

> 
> Anyway, one is an email claiming that a t-shirt will destroy years of
> work getting Perl accepted by American corporations and the other is a
> widely read Web techniques column by the same author at
> http://www.stonehenge.com/perl/amihooternot
> 
> Failing to see why t-shirts were offensive now.
> 

I am beginning to wonder if it is possible to reconstruct this exchange
from the beginning - there are obviously things being crossposted out of
(void) that I never saw.  Maybe we ought to get this all in one big
archive.

>From the YaPc::Europe list


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>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 15 19:55:53 2000
Date: 07 Jul 2000 09:26:42 -0700
From: Randal L. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Lenzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
     Yapc Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
     London-Pm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (void) Re: Come and Get It (x-posted)

>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Trevena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Aaron> Most of the perl and new media developers on the mailing lists
Aaron> think that these slogans represent us. I certainly feel it
Aaron> represents me.

Aaron> Its not rude or obscene, its definately contempory and I would
Aaron> rather be represented by that than something like perly kings
Aaron> and queens or some other appalling puns.

I'll state a clear disagreement.  The Orange YAPC-Europe shirt is
nice, but as a founding board member of PM (and currently the elected
"perl advocate" role in such), I take offense to the other two shirts.

I do not want them in any way shape or form associated with
YAPC::Europe or YAS, and will do everything I can to ensure that.

If that's not immediately resolved, I will personally withdraw from my
participation in YAPC::Europe, and encourage others to do so on which
I have an influence.

At a minimum, they will set back our effort to have Perl accepted in
Corporate America, undoing a lot of the advocacy work that we've done
over the years.

Please kids... keep in mind that you have many audiences, and you just
offended the ones with the bucks, and that's where your IPOs come
from.

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