What about the number of hours you worked in Linux [to be checked by a LPIC-2
or LPIC-3] (Like IIBA/PMI certs)?
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On Friday, April 19, 2019 5:01 AM, Bryan Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
> You mean like articles on how psychometrics and other things are used in
> LPI's approach, followed by blog articles and testimonies? :)
>
> Let's face it, LPI has all that information, and more out there. But LPI does
> not have marketing dollars. LPI relies heavily on word-of-mouth.
>
> This too has been to a pulp over decades. :)
>
> - bjs
>
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> Bryan J Smith - http://linkedin.com/in/bjsmith
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 04:55 Stephan Wenderlich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Instead of discussing this topic again and again, LPI should do its
>> homework and take care about a serious cert guide which is accurate and
>> well designed.
>>
>> On 19.04.19 11:33, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 2019/04/19 10:04, Simone Piccardi wrote:
>>>> Il 16/04/19 14:45, Mark Clarke ha scritto:
>>>>> I would suggest that its not an either or approach. We could have a
>>>>> part that is multiple choice and a practical part. The practical
>>>>> part doesn't have to be under exam conditions. It could be a task
>>>>> like write a bash script that does x or some other assignemtn. The
>>>>> student is given 2 days to do the task and submit the
>>>>> script/assignement and the testing can be automated.
>>>>>
>>>> And how do you avoid having the student getting "help" from a friend?
>>>
>>>
>>> That's an excellent point.
>>>
>>> Another is how will an automated tester account for every variation
>>> that the candidate might have or do? Perhaps a candidate might
>>> validate an IP Address (sensible) and naturally uses Python with
>>> netaddr. Automated testing is likely to fail and the assignment,
>>> whilst correct, is marked wrong. Now manual intervention is needed and
>>> that means salaries. The cost of an exam just multiplies many times.
>>>
>>> I've stayed out of this current discussion as it rears it's head every
>>> few years and never goes anywhere. Such discussions are tiring.
>>>
>>> Someone earlier mentioned the perception that hands-on testing is
>>> better. I very much agree that it is a perception. It might not be true.
>>>
>>> So what is hands-on testing good for? It's great for testing if a
>>> candidate can perform a series of predetermined steps in response to a
>>> given situation to produce a determined result. Hence why we test
>>> student pilots with it. And electricians, scuba divers and almost
>>> every action a sailor will do on the job (when sailors can't pass
>>> these tests, other sailors die).
>>>
>>> It's why RedHat, Cisco and SuSE use practical tests - those distros
>>> provide specific tools to do specific functions and the candidate can
>>> rely on the tools to be present and work correctly. To do task X on
>>> RHEL regarding selinux, RHEL provides a tool, and it will be present
>>> on the test machine. The candidate is required to show they can drive
>>> the tool to produce the result RedHat demonstrated in the course.
>>>
>>> In truth, this has very little to do with results, it has everything
>>> to do with the tool and how it is used, and the result is a
>>> side-effect. RedHat never puts anything in their low and mid level
>>> exams that is not covered in sufficient detail in their course
>>> materials, to do so would be very unfair. You can't expect someone to
>>> perform a task they were not taught how to do.
>>>
>>> If we look at LPI's mission, we see that it is to a large degree
>>> exactly opposite to the above. LPI is not about RHEL tools, it is
>>> about the candidate proving they understand Linux systems within the
>>> scope of the level tested. Because the scope is not bound to a
>>> specific distro or release, testing has to be done on a somewhat
>>> abstract, conceptual level. There is nothing wrong with measuring the
>>> extent of conceptual knowledge and this is what LPI does.
>>>
>>> Testing conceptual knowledge is not inherently better or worse than
>>> practical testing, they are simply different. Both have their place
>>> and they are answers to different questions about candidates and
>>> should not be conflated.
>>>
>>>
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