Peter wrote: > Yes, I agree. But that means the technology has to be part of the most > popular distros.
Whoa! You just opened up a mega-subjective can'o worms! Do you mean "all of the most popular distros?" Then what about Debian-based and Fedora-based differences to start with? Or are you saying if Debian doesn't have it, because of the non-consumer paying (and Canonical subsidizing Dell) popularity of Ubuntu, makes it a non-consideration? Why do we cover YUM then? SuSE doesn't use it, unlike RPM. And what happens if SLEx/NLx ships SELinux with rules, although probably disables, in 2-3 years? Do we not do it then? Remember, I was suggesting _next_ revision. This whole "Red Hat specific" comment is really not reality, as many things that Fedora, Red Hat, CentOS and countless off-shoots, actually in use at Enterprises, are in widespread use. Someone even pulled a recent "Bayer" type poll where they split out not jus Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux, but Red Hat Linux, and claimed Ubuntu was more in widespread use. If you added Red Hat Linux + Red Hat Enterprise Linux, you got more than all Ubuntu. And if you added Fedora and those two, you got more than Debian + Ubuntu. SELinux is out there. People run into it and are like "WTF?" All I even suggested covering was identification, and maybe I whole command. It would be like knowing what NetFilter, and a command as simple as flushing rules with IPTables -- not how to write rules with it. > If it were only part of the favourite distro of the exam > developers that does not mean too much. I think that is very unfair with regards to Matt, totally unfair. You can accuse myself of such, or other Fedora/Red Hat "cronnies," but given how much Matt really does to be "neutral" while being the "staple" of the objectives, that's really unfair. > Then a valid question would be: What about AppArmor? > It's part of SUSE and Ubuntu. Okay, I don't know how much > it is really used compared to SELinux.so I won't > start a discussion on that here. ;-) But yet you just did? Novell laid off all of its developers. SELinux has widespread government adoption, not just the US, but Russia, Japan and many, many others. It has several, major industry adoptions, including financial and, increasingly, even web. It stops things, hard. That's what MAC does. It then offers RBAC and several other capabilities. What continually impresses me with Red Hat is how much they do "transparently." Instead of "forking to get its way," they will put guys on an effort and make the case in the project, in the kernel, in whatever, even if they are the only distro that ships it with a SLA. At the same time, they even develop things like ALSA, NetworkManager, etc... that other distros even implement better, because their focus isn't as much on the "code meat" like Red Hat, but on the distro. So when you say "Red Hat specific," you had better be a little more "specific" in if you mean what "Red Hat supports," or what "Red Hat develops," sometimes even with a majority share. It's really, really, *REALLY* hard not to touch upon things that aren't "Red Hat specific" in general. ;) I mean, even GNOME had long gotten that Red Hat moniker as well. And that's before we even talk actual enterprise adoption. > Maybe it's just from a SUSE-centric point of view. But my feeling is that > SUSE does not play a significant role when adding new objectives to the > exams is discussed. I might be wrong, though. The problem with SuSE has been more historical, one I can understand. Before Novell's purchase, SuSE vehemetly defended its trademark, partially because some German Common Law is far worse than the US. No other distros were based on SuSE like Debian and Fedora/RHL. Although I do understand some of your frustration, one must remember that there is not merely just Fedora like OpenSUSE now, but something quite unequivalent like CentOS. CentOS not only has a huge installed base, but even the Fedora Project (including Red Hat employees on a regular basis as part of their job function) interact quite heavily with their duality - not to mention all the 3rd parties built around it. As I always say, much to the complaint of my EU friends, "It's funny that an American company had to buy SuSE to make it more open. This is why the comments on Red Hat never stick, because Red Hat has always been open, and only later had to deal with nastuy trademarks issues caused by Cobalt/Sun that ruined a lot of things they could do." -- Bryan J Smith - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://thebs413.blogspot.com Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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