På 2000-Mar-16 klokka 21:04:34 -0500 skrivet Robert W. Current: : I am bringing these issues up here not because I believe that the LSB is : fundamentally flawed, but because I feel that the LSB needs to think : back on how the community can view standards and deals among "for : profit" companies through shaded glasses. It's important to have well : thought out answers for these situations before they are asked. (Which : Evan is doing very well here. I am going to play devils advocate when I : see this stuff happen, and I was hoping for the last two days to see a : solid response like the one Evan just sent ;-)
Robert, forgive me for presumption, but what would help most would be for *you* to formulate such responses, if you view such things as potential problems. Most folks here are spending their energy on doing what needs to be done here, and don't have extra energy to play mind games. I am quite in favor of criticism from concerned and knowledgeable parties (which is why i am working to help LSB as an individual). The most productive and beneficial criticism, however, comes not only with ``Here's what's wrong, broken, or flawed,'', but also with a clearly written, detailed proposal or set of proposals on what to do about the perceived flaws, preferably making sure to omit personal attacks and vague, opiniated language. LSB doesn't need devil's advocates. We need folks who are willing to help, and who are willing to make an attempt not to piss people off when submitting critique. If you have ideas, please write them down in a clear and coherent fashion, so that we can all have a look at them and give them the consideration they're due instead of wading through reams of email trying to separate signal from noise. If you think you need help composing your ideas, please by all means ask for it, here or elsewhere. You should be aware that it's not always easy for human beings to accept criticism, and that couching it in flurries of unstructured email messages with boisterous language often makes it even more difficult to accept. I don't particularly blame you for these human flaws, but i urge to recognize them and try to work around them, if your concerns are at all important to you. In sum, i for one do not wish to argue with you; i would much rather collaborate. Please treat LSB like any other open source project: submit patches, not complaints. I promise you that things will work out better for everyone that way. -- jim knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
