If I implied that you claimed that then I apologize. But to me, democracy means governing by the people and the degree to which that is done is not part of the definition. I also don't think there is agreement on a precise definition.
If big segments of a population are denied participation it's certainly a sub optimum democracy. And of course there are zillions of ways to "reach decisions." — Doug On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:12 PM David Stodolsky <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 10 Jan 2020, at 20:02, Doug Schuler <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I'm not persuaded by references to Athenian democracy as the last "real > democracy” > > > That was not claimed. The point was to use the term "Democracy “ in a > technically correct manner. > > I cite many other instances here: > > https://groups.io/g/democracy > > > > because even then women and slaves could not vote. > > > This is just a definition issue. > The question of who counts as a citizen is a separate issue, when we are > talking about a way to reach decisions. Arguing that the USA wasn’t a > “democracy” before women got the vote doesn’t help when dealing with > technical questions. > > > dss > > > > David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social Informatics > Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark > [email protected] Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070 > > -- Douglas Schuler [email protected] Twitter: @doug_schuler ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Public Sphere Project http://www.publicsphereproject.org/ Mailing list ~ Collective Intelligence for the Common Good * http://lists.scn.org/mailman/listinfo/ci <http://lists.scn.org/mailman/listinfo/ci>4cg-announce* Creating the World Citizen Parliament http://interactions.acm.org/archive/view/may-june-2013/creating-the-world-citizen-parliament Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (project) http://www.publicsphereproject.org/patterns/lv <http://www.publicsphereproject.org/patterns/> Liberating Voices! A Pattern Language for Communication Revolution (book) http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=11601
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