I had similar concerns. I also was immediately nervous about big tech doing this.
I then realized that they have all the data anyway. This is probably the least bad thing that they are going to do with it. "How I learned to stop worrying and ..." On 4/24/20 2:29 PM, msunet wrote: > There was some talk about this at the Flatten the Curve Summit. At > first, I thought this technology would be interesting, but now I have > doubts about it. It doesn't seem very useful to trace people if you > can't test them, first of all. I also wonder how the random numbers are > generated -- will they use your device or advertising ID? How can you > tell when they embed this technology in their proprietary, secret OSes > anyway? I also haven't seen what the authentication layer is -- will you > need a google account? -- or more generally, how they plan to protect > the system from attackers. It's also not clear to me who owns the data, > where it is stored, how much of it, or for how long. And when does the > tracing end? They also have not solved fundamental problems about this > tech, like signals going through walls. > > Unless these and other questions are answered (maybe they have and I > haven't caught up), this just seems to me like an attempt by > corporations to use the situation as an excuse to creep in more into > people's lives. It never hurts to remember that they are powered by > profit, not good will. > > On April 23, 2020 7:01:37 PM PDT, "Robert Mathews (OSIA)" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 4/23/20 5:26 AM, David Stodolsky wrote: > >> This appears to be virtue signaling. France is asking that the >> Apple/Google tracing security be relaxed. >>> >>> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/20/04/21/2019202/france-says-apple-bluetooth-policy-is-blocking-virus-tracker#comments >>> >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__apple.slashdot.org_story_20_04_21_2019202_france-2Dsays-2Dapple-2Dbluetooth-2Dpolicy-2Dis-2Dblocking-2Dvirus-2Dtracker-23comments&d=DwMFaQ&c=Ngd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4&r=V-iMGiA8Z-z_leHLkLSzXQ&m=1UUH9eOltaAPSUdTtOKTK8wH6ws-MQUbG4Ac_auCdJ4&s=HA0muQHuHH31W1WZw0ZUdLoorMjmeoPDcTks1KDy4v8&e=> >> It appears that France has developed a slightly less secure >> tracing method than the coming Apple/Google API/OS built-in. The >> current limitation is that Apple doesn’t allow Bluetooth to run on >> the iPhone, if the app is in the background and the data leaves >> the phone. This has crippled TraceTogether, etc., since it makes >> tracing impractical with the iPhone. >> >> dss >> >> David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social >> Informatics >> Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070 > > Notions of *'contact tracing'* must be considered in broader > 'technical' and 'technological' terms. For instance, consider this > following headline, which I have been discussing with my team since > its publication. > > *"2 billion phones cannot use Google and Apple contact-tracing tech > System developed by Silicon Valley relies on technology missing from > older handsets."* > TIM BRADSHAW, FT.COM - 4/20/2020, 12:29 PM > *arsTECHNICA* > > https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/2-billion-phones-cannot-use-google-and-apple-contract-tracing-tech/ > > MANY such subscriber-linked mobile handsets in-service are located > within *the Continent of Africa*, and the *Indian Sub-Continent.* > And, they are MOSTLY NOT - iPhone 10s. > > Of this, I shared the following sentiment with my staff and extended > teams.... > > //This story SHOULD teach us that, no matter how LARGE any > "tech" company may be, if those human beings WITHIN are NOT > disposed to understanding "SYSTEMS" more wholistically (a widely > abused term), products born out of this lack of understanding > cannot be expected to meet basic aspects of > //////functional//ity////. ///It also goes without saying that > SYSTEMS so constructed can also 'not' be expected to > 'INTEROPERATE reliably' with OTHER systems of a LIKE, and/or > UNLIKE construction too./ > > In this respect at least, and more importantly, taking note of the > UNIVERSALITY of COVID-19, backward operational compatibility and > INCLUSIVITY should have been critical 'usability' considerations. > > > -- Sent from /e/ Mail. > -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://lists.ghserv.net/mailman/listinfo/lt. Unsubscribe, change to digest mode, or change password by emailing [email protected].
