On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, pedro noticioso wrote: > > I last read that redhat is LSB compliant and mandrake > is not LSB compliant, this is to me evidence that LSB > has nothing to do with ltsp. > > Its been quite amazing to see how many distros are > supported, but not enough in light of the ammount of > other distros that may work with a few tweaks. > > I think a script with routines to detect if dhcpd and > other services are installed and configured or not, > are more important than routines to detect a certain > distro and hope all of its services are installed. > > ie a script to detect if the computer is using inetd > or xinetd, and react accordingly, and so on 8)
Pedro, That's an excellent point. LTSP has so far, been 'distro-centric'. That is, the scripts are written for specific distros, and in some cases, specific versions of the distros. With LTSP-4.0, we are flipping that around to be 'service-centric', that is, it shouldn't matter which distro/version is being used. It comes down to basically, there are only a couple of ways that tftp is started, so we just need a tftp script that is smart enough to deal with the different methods. And, same for dhcpd and nfs. The display managers are a different problem though, because the methods for starting those varies quite a bit, and it seems to change from distro to distro, and version to version. But, as time goes on, we'll begin to support enough of them to make most people happy. So, that's roughly where we are headed. Now, we've just got to get there. Jim McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- Chris Puttick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Better still, make it LSB compliant. It would be sad > > if at the end Linux > > went the way of Unix. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John McCreesh > > To: Jim Rich > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 12/19/02 4:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] RE: A forking we will > > go? > > > > The blessing / curse of open-source is that there > > are 110 ways of doing > > the same thing. I would suggest that LTSP should > > target a couple of > > common distros, and be able to say (e.g.): > > > > "Take your RedHat 8.0 CD > > > > - do a clean install with the following options: > > (desktop/server/whatever) > > - make sure you have a graphical log in > > - then install the following LTSP RPMs > > - then run this script > > > > and you will have a working LTSP server. > > > > If you do it any other way, you're on your own, but > > you are of course > > free to ask those helpful folks on the ltsp-discuss > > mailing list..." > > > > Trying to write a script that can detect all the > > things someone might > > have done to a system which started life as RedHat > > 0.5 and has been > > updated sixteen times ... is not sensible. > > > > John > > > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:06:44 -0700 > > "Jim Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Brian > > > > > > I agree with you. The installation process is > > needs to be > > > perfected to the point of "hands free" or have a > > very smart > > > automated trouble-shooter. I feel lucky (not > > competent) if I am > > > able to install LTSP. I disagree with you for > > only supporting > > > the two distros and the two "machine profiles" you > > mentioned. > > > I would like to see effort expended in the area of > > trouble shooting. > > > for example: > > > > > > # different distributions of Linux require > > different > > > # solutions to the same problem. > > > if ($distro eq "Red Hat") ; then > > > msg7="you need to do a service dhcpd restart" > > > fi > > > ltsp_status=$(ps -aux | grep dhcpd | grep -v grep) > > > if ($ltsp_status -ne [*dhcpd*]) ; then > > > echo "dhcpd is not running" > > > echo "$msg7" > > > exit 2 > > > fi > > > > > > The above is just an idea not working code. There > > are entries or > > > lack there of in /var/log/messages that give clues > > as to what is > > > wrong. Are there corresponding entries in hosts > > dhcpd.conf and > > > lts.conf. Does the filename mentioned in lts.conf > > exist? > > > things like these could be used for an automated > > trouble shooter. > > > Things like dhcpd happens before tftp which > > happens before ipchains > > > etc. I am going to be un-netted for three weeks > > for Christmas but > > > when I get back I will try to collect all of the > > thoughts that this > > > thread is generating (read everyone get involved) > > and try to put > > > something together. But I do have another life > > like everyone else. > > > > > > Jim Rich > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > I'm a big believer in LTSP; when I installed > > 2.x it was fast, > > > > simple = > > > > and light. But I've made two, seperate, > > multi-week install attempts > > > > on 3=.x and have yet to see an X login screen. > > And trying to debug > > > > it, even a= fter knowing how to do it before, > > was darned near > > > > impossible. > > > > > > > > This is not to say that there hasn't been a > > great deal of work, > > > > and i= > > > > mprovements to the core code...but because it > > supports so many > > > > platforms = and variations, it's just gotten so > > complicated that > > > > it's no longer easy = or fun anymore.=20 > > > > > > > > My suggestion: > > > > > > > > Let's take LTSP 2.x, simplify and improve > > upon it, but just for > > > > the R= > > > > edhat/Mandrake installations. Let's make two > > kinds of > > > > configurations by = default, Jammin-125 and > > 'custom' and give the > > > > admin some basic starting p= oints. > > > > > > > > Wether anyone else wants to do it, I have > > to. I plan to install > > > > a bu= > > > > nch in this area, and it'll be easier to > > maintain a partial-distro > > > > than t= o convert from what LTSP has become, to > > what I need in 99%+ > > > > of the situat= ions, ya know? > > > > > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: Order your > > Holiday Geek Presents > > > Now! Green Lasers, Hip Geek T-Shirts, Remote > > Control Tanks, > > > Caffeinated Soap, MP3 Players, XBox Games, > > Flying Saucers, WebCams, > > > Smart Putty. > > > T H I N K G E E K . C O M > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/sf/ > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. 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