I just think times are hard here and everyone is trying to survive like me. I think Al and Steven should be allowed to share what they have to offer. Feuding between us just helps those big guys more happy. Whenever I went hunting with my father he always said, "be careful where your pointing the gun!" Or remember what your hunting for.
On Friday 26 July 2002 17:50, you wrote: > Aloha Al, > I've never met you either, feel free to call anytime. > Not looking to start a war, sorry if I was stepping on your "territory". > You offered a solution to a problem so I did too. Of course everyone knows > about the RoadRunner & Verizon DSL monopolies since they have millions of > dollars to spend on marketing. But most people do not know about the unique > services and willingness to accomodate special requests available from > smaller ISPs such as yours and mine. > > Sorry if I offended anyone else by announcing the availablity of our > service as a possible solution to the problem being discussed. > > Mahalo, > Steven Tomlinson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: LUAU digest, Vol 1 #300 - 14 msgs > > > Send LUAU mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of LUAU digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (Steven > Tomlinson) > 2. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (al > plant) > 3. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (MonMotha) > 4. Re: Non-Profit Group registration (R. Scott Belford) > 5. Re: Re: Configuring Router (Michael Ableyev) > 6. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) (Cliff > Brown) > 7. Re: Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) > (Dustin Cross) > 8. Re: Re: Configuring Router (MonMotha) > 9. Re: OpenOffice 1.0.1 (Dean Fujioka) > 10. Re: Donating Monitors (Dean Fujioka) > 11. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (Dean Fujioka) > 12. Re: Donating Monitors (Dan George) > 13. Re: Non-Profit Group registration (Jimen Ching) > 14. Re: News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation (Dan George) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Steven Tomlinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:26:49 -1000 > Subject: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring Router) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Aloha Fellow Linux Users, > If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location > situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office > is located near Ala Moana. > > Steve Tomlinson > Falcon I`o Internet Services > www.falconio.com > 330-1647 > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:45:33 -1000 > From: al plant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring > Router) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Steven Tomlinson wrote: > > Aloha Fellow Linux Users, > > If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location > > situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office > > is > > > located near Ala Moana. > > > > Steve Tomlinson > > Falcon I`o Internet Services > > www.falconio.com > > 330-1647 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LUAU mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > ################################### > > > > I don't know who you are, but If you want to start an ISP war on this > site you are leaning that way. This list has run for years without it. > > There are a lot of ISP's on this list including RoadRunner and > ourselves. I think the folks on this list are capable of researching > their own solutions. > > > > Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com > Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. > Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2 > Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:58:48 -0500 > From: MonMotha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Warren Togami wrote: > > Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on > > stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday. > > While > > > he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because of his > > high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he would win > > the > > > court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating the > > DMCA > > > in the Supreme Court. > > Or maybe not... > > A story on /. says that Bruce has decided not to, apparently under > pressure from his employer, HP. > > "...Bruce Perens has backed out of his plan to demonstrate how to modify > a DVD player to break region coding (and openly violate the DMCA as > well) due to pressure from his employer, Hewlett Packard. I wish HP had > given him their blessing on this, but I guess they have to worry about > shareholders first..." > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/dan_gill >m or/ejournal/3735855.htm > > --MonMotha > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "R. Scott Belford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] Non-Profit Group registration > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:42:01 -0500 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Superior information, Wayne. If no one else in the group wants to, my > offer stands to spearhead this. I may want to bounce some things off of > you, Wayne, and the rest of you as far as names, etc. go, if that is okay. > I am not intimidated by the state and federal hoops and I trust myself to > be impeccable in the filings. It should not be any trouble for me to start > this > and leave it behind when we are relocated in the future. Any info the > other LUG, mentioned in an earlier thread, has would be good. > > see ya'll later > > scott > > On Friday 26 July 2002 13:16, you wrote: > > In order for your efforts to continue, it is almost inevitable > > that you need to incorporate MPLUG as a non-profit org. > > > > However, as I mentioned previously, b/f incorporating, you must > > make sure that you have an infrastructure to make sure that all the > > corporate formalities and reporting requirements are met. > > > > To incorporate a non-corporation in Hawaii, you must first file an > > Article of incorporation and Bylaws with DCCA (in most other states, > > you file these documents with the secretary of state), with languages > > that conform to IRS Section 501(c)(3) requirements. Both are no big > > deal, and > > typically it will take a minimum of 5 days for DCCA to file-stamp the > > documents. > > (In many other states, you can get same-day registration.) > > > > Then you have to file for federal and state tax ID numbers. I suppose > > MPLUG will not have employees nor be paying excise tax, then, there is no > > need for a state tax ID. > > > > The most important step in becoming a non-profit org is to file IRS Form > > 1023, > > "application for recognition of exemption under Section 501(c)(3) of > > IRC". This typically takes 4~6 months. But I have heard applications > > that were approved > > in a little over two months. The tax-exempt status typically begins > > when Form 1023 > > is filed, or when the org is formed if it is within 15 months of filing. > > But some cautious donors may want your tax-exempt number. This sometimes > > can become a problem. > > > > In Hawaii, once you become a tax-exempt org under the federal > > statute, there is generally no additional requirement at the state level. > > > > After your non-profit org is established, there are, of course, the > > needs to annually file > > FORM 990 tax return, as well as keep all the corporate books and minutes > > of meetings. > > > > Incorporation is the way to go, but it takes certain discipline. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LUAU mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Michael Ableyev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:00:50 -1000 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Well, if you weren't uploading at the time, there was no cause for the > > extreme packet loss on your end. I have seen upwards of 40% on my line, > > but it was usually them doing "maintainance" (and it was scheduled for a > > week in advance, so I believe them). However, if you see heavy packet > > loss while you're uploading, there's a reason. The reason of course is > > that when the line is maxed and you still want to send more, the device > > just has to drop the packet once the queue gets full. > > > > This is why you commonly see terrible download speeds when uploading on > > cabel modems. The TCP acks are being dropped, and the other end > > throttles. > > > This is why people move the queue from the cable modem (which is usually > > just a simple FIFO) to one one a linux box. The linux box can run a > > different queue discipline that can prioritize packets much more > > effectively. For example, give all TCP ACKs top end of the queue > > priority to keep the downloads going at an acceptable level. > > > > More info availabel upon request, again ask warren to have me make a > > wiki (I don't want to put up a wiki that RR wouldn't like, that's what > > FreeNet is for :) > > > > --MonMotha > > Oh, the reason for my packet loss has been acknowledged by RR (after I > practically spammed them with connection logs) as a problem > in the area, although when I called at first they said noone else is > experiencing problems. I think they just acknowledged it as an > area problem so they could say they're working on it and get me off their > backs :/ It's been almost 2 months and I still have an > open trouble ticket, though the frequency of this problem reduced somewhat. > There isn't really anything I can do about it (according > to them). > > As for that Wiki, I think it would be a most interesting reading! Warren: > How about it? > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:09:44 -1000 > From: Cliff Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring > Router) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > al plant wrote: > >Steven Tomlinson wrote: > >>Aloha Fellow Linux Users, > >>If you are a hobbyist or simply learning and looking for a co-location > >>situation, we will be happy to accomodate a low cost solution. Our office > > is > > >>located near Ala Moana. > >> > >>Steve Tomlinson > >>Falcon I`o Internet Services > >>www.falconio.com > >>330-1647 > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>LUAU mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > > >################################### > > > > > > > >I don't know who you are, but If you want to start an ISP war on this > >site you are leaning that way. This list has run for years without it. > > > >There are a lot of ISP's on this list including RoadRunner and > >ourselves. I think the folks on this list are capable of researching > >their own solutions. > > > > > > > >Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com > >Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. > >Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2 > >Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043 > >_______________________________________________ > >LUAU mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > I think you are out of line, Al... He's not saying anything that you > haven't said in the past, and he was mentioned in other folks' posts. > Cliff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:24:57 -1000 (HST) > Subject: Re: [luau] Low-cost Linux server or co-location (Configuring > Router) > From: "Dustin Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I agree, that was way out of line! > > Dusty > > > I think you are out of line, Al... He's not saying anything that you > > haven't said in the past, and he was mentioned in other folks' posts. > > Cliff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LUAU mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:29:42 -0500 > From: MonMotha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] Re: Configuring Router > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Oh, the reason for my packet loss has been acknowledged by RR (after I > > practically spammed them with connection logs) as a problem > > > in the area, although when I called at first they said noone else is > > experiencing problems. I think they just acknowledged it as an > > > area problem so they could say they're working on it and get me off their > > backs :/ It's been almost 2 months and I still have an > > > open trouble ticket, though the frequency of this problem reduced > > somewhat. There isn't really anything I can do about it (according > > > to them). > > > > As for that Wiki, I think it would be a most interesting reading! Warren: > > How about it? > > > What kind of cable modem you got (don't need any serial numbers or > anything, just a manufacturer and model number if possible, possibly a > physical description of the casing)? > > --MonMotha > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:42:07 -1000 > From: Dean Fujioka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] OpenOffice 1.0.1 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Ben, > that's the setting that I unchecked, but it left my quotes as ???s. It > did fix itself when I changed to charter font though... > > dean > > Ben Beeson wrote: > >Dean, > > > > In Open office, go to "Tools" then "Autocorrect/AutoFormat" select the > >"options" tab and uncheck the entry for "Replace standard quotes with > >?custom? quotes?...." > > > >Ben > > > >On Thursday 25 July 2002 02:39 pm, you wrote: > >>I was wondering if anyone else experienced this same issue... > >>When I'm using the word processor, if i type a quote " it will replace > >>it with a ? on the screen, but when I print it, it comes out OK. It > >>also happens if I do a double hyphen--for emphasis--and I don't know the > >>reason why. I tried a setting for single and double quotes (I actually > >>turned it off) but it did the same thing. My doc looks fine in > >>OpenOffice 1.0.0 on my sin98 machine, but when I brought it over to the > >>linux side w OO 1.0.1, this question mark thing happened. any ideas? > >> > >>dean > > > >_______________________________________________ > >LUAU mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:49:42 -1000 > From: Dean Fujioka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I think that's Royal Data... > > R. Scott Belford wrote: > >On Friday 26 July 2002 00:46, you wrote: > >>Aloha, > >> > >>Sandi and I still have several (approx 25) 15-17" pc monitors that work > > and > > >>a few that don't if the repair guy can use them for parts. We are ready > > to > > >>donate them. Sandi wants them donated to a non-profit org so we can > >> write it off on the taxes. I don't think LUAU or MPLUG counts. Do we > >> have any plan to deal with this? > > > >I am in Georgia now. When I get back, or earlier, I intend to file > > articles > > >of incorporation for a non-profit. This should help. > > > >>>Scott gave several of our broken monitors to this guy that repairs > >>>monitors in his garage. Does anyone have the address and contact > >>>information for this guy? > >>> > >>>We have about 15 more broken monitors. > >>>Warren > > > >This guy is located on a road that intersects the Pali just past that > > really > > >big cemetary down the road from the UH. Dean knows the place. I don't > > know > > >the name right now. > > > >scott > >_______________________________________________ > >LUAU mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:10:53 -1000 > From: Dean Fujioka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I guess maybe he's not going to do it > > http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/business/columnists/dan_gill >m or/ejournal/ > > conference updates here: > http://www.oreillynet.com/oscon2002/ > > > dean > > Warren Togami wrote: > >Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on > >stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday. > > While he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because > > of his high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he > > would win > > the > > >court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating the > > DMCA in the Supreme Court. > > > >Last year Russian programmer Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while visiting > >America for writing software in Russia that is legal under Russian law. > >Adobe took offense to his actions and had him arrested under the DMCA. He > >was arrested mainly because those in power thought that the American > > public wouldn't be outraged because he is a foreign Russian (lingering > > Cold War anger) hacker (evil person who breaks into computers). > > > >Ironically, if Bruce Perens is NOT arrested after this announced DMCA > >violation does this not clearly show that America is the land of selective > >prosection based upon your economic and social status? > > > >http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/07/23/020723hnperens.xml > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >LUAU mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > From: Dan George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:48:16 -1000 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Thursday 25 July 2002 22:23, you wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [luau] Donating Monitors > > > > > If your having trouble getting someone to repair your monitors, I will > > > > check > > > > > with our local repair facility that repairs both TVs and Monitors to > > > see > > > > what > > > > > kind a deal he could swing. > > > > I figured repairing monitors isn't worth the cost, so I've just been > > giving > > > all of our dead monitors to the repair guy rather than it all going in > > the dump. Do you know typical rates for monitor repair? > > Depends most of the ones we have go under warranty. But I would > ask anyways just to see the going rate. Your right by saying most often > its not worth the expense EXCEPTION flat panel monitors cost around > $125 to repair but value around $550 and up. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:50:15 -1000 (HST) > From: Jimen Ching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [luau] Non-Profit Group registration > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, R. Scott Belford wrote: > >Superior information, Wayne. If no one else in the group wants to, my > >offer stands to spearhead this. I may want to bounce some things off of > >you, Wayne, and the rest of you as far as names, etc. go, if that is > >okay. I am not intimidated by the state and federal hoops and I trust > >myself to be impeccable in the filings. It should not be any trouble > >for me to start this and leave it behind when we are relocated in the > >future. Any info the other LUG, mentioned in an earlier thread, has > >would be good. > > On the LinuxForSchools wiki, I added a section on other groups that are > also donating computers to kids and schools. Ken GoldStein started > ComputerForKids program, and it is a non-profit organization. He mainly > deals with Windows PCs though. The wiki has a link to a newsletter that > he distributes. Would it make sense to place the LinuxForSchools program > under Ken's program? > > --jc > -- > Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > From: Dan George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [luau] News - Bruce Perens plans on-stage DMCA violation > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:20:59 -1000 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Friday 26 July 2002 01:07, you wrote: > > Open Source Software advocate Bruce Perens plans to violate the DMCA on > > stage at the O'Reilly Open Source Convention in San Diego on Friday. > > While > > > he will be breaking the law, he probably wont be arrested because of his > > high profile status. There would be a high likelihood that he would win > > the court battle (after appeals) and thus set a precedent invalidating > > the DMCA in the Supreme Court. > > > > Last year Russian programmer Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while visiting > > America for writing software in Russia that is legal under Russian law. > > Adobe took offense to his actions and had him arrested under the DMCA. > > He was arrested mainly because those in power thought that the American > > public > > > wouldn't be outraged because he is a foreign Russian (lingering Cold War > > anger) hacker (evil person who breaks into computers). > > > > Ironically, if Bruce Perens is NOT arrested after this announced DMCA > > violation does this not clearly show that America is the land of > > selective prosection based upon your economic and social status? > > HERE, HERE! Totally agree with that! > > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/07/23/020723hnperens.xml > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > LUAU mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > > End of LUAU Digest > > _______________________________________________ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau