On Jun 6, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Maddog wrote:
I'm not talking about putting a Linksys et. al, AP in you hotel
hallway, I am talking about a commercial Wi-Fi deployment. You are
not going to deploy that crappy equipment in Waikiki and expect not
to be over run by the guys already there using much more powerful
equipment.
I have equipment deployed in Waikiki. Really. (I'm not the
provider, but we did sell the gear.)
C'mon Jim. We are going to be on opposite sides of this discussion
forever so let's just agree to disagree. As long as you have
hardheaded, old boys running the hotels there is no way you are
going to have free wireless in Waikiki. I have been here for 15
years and nothing has changed that would make hotel execs see the
light. If something is sold on your wireless AP they want a cut. As
recently as last week Friday that was the case.
And it will change. I've been doing hotel WiFi in various guises
since 1998. Wayport had over 1,000 hotels when I left. It will
change in Hawaii slower than elsewhere because there is no business
requirement driving the hotels here. Hawaii is a resort
destination. People come here to play. That said, even Disney's
hotels are going free wireless.
If you don't believe me talk to Gordon Bruce. He'll tell you of the
countless headaches and bickering he has endured from all the
players about how they are going to get their cut of the rev-share
pie. It is just not realistic to think it will ever happen here.
Since anyone can put up the next AP, there is no business model
possible in outdoor WiFi.
I am right in the middle of it. Bandwidth charges and Wi-Fi. I know
all about it.
MD
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "LUAU" <luau@lists.hosef.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:47 PM
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I'm sorry, but a single AP in your coffee shop/mcdonalds/lunch
counter/.... will cost you less than $100.
Hotels (on the mainland) have figured out that people will
preferentially stay where there first was WiFi and now folks will
stay where its free.
This is especially true in the "3 star" level places. (Nobody
expects water to be free in the Four Seasons.)
Jim
On Jun 6, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Maddog wrote:
I know plenty about the cost of bandwidth. I also know about the
cost of deploying wireless equipment and maintaining the
network. It is not viable to offer free wi-fi unless you can pay
for the costs.
MD
Bandwidth and equipment cost money and I don't see any
companies lining up to donate either.
Bandwidth... what do you know about bandwidth charges?
MD
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