@Nio: yes, I already know this project. Very interesting.
@Jonathan: I learned more in two hours with you that in a week of readings. I agree with you at all: I will learn more of lxde this week.It reminds me the first age of the modern Windows, there are many things to see! I'm aware of the existence of /etc/xdg/lxsession, I'm not using it (now) because normally I modify directly on user's home, we are speaking about single user PC. For the new sessions I'll follow your advice and I'll create them on /etc/xdg/lxsession. :) For tonight I'm really satisfied, I have my second session with an OSX layout and applications up and working fine, I have just some troubles with menu disappearing when I do a fast logout/login but It's a thing I can repair after for sure. :) "Maybe you can aim to have some of your work packaged in a new lubuntu-settings-extras .deb in time for Lubuntu 14.04 ?" There is not a new artwork, just different layouts, but if I can help... Why not? :) Wiki coming soon! F. F. 2013/6/29 Nio Wiklund <[email protected]> > Hi, > > Maybe this link to ronniew's Ubuntu Forum thread, will help you with > 'prettier Lubuntu'. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2125764 > > ronniew made LXLE and keeps it running. > > Best regards > Nio > > On 2013-06-30 02:46, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > > On 06/29/2013 04:39 PM, Federico Leoni wrote: > > > >> When I wrote "... nor I can get autostart file to work" I meant the > >> autostart file (located in > >> /home/effe/.config/lxsession/LubuntuCMP/autostart) doesn't start > >> programs inserted with @ like on the other file on Lubuntu folder. > >> In fact, this is the SAME file copied. > > > > OK, but there are a lot of places for an lxsession autostart file to > > exist, so it's necessary to state which one, if you want anyone else to > > be able to do anything useful, such as duplicate the issue in order to > > resolve it. > > > > The ~/.config/lxsession/*/autostart files are intended for individual > > user overrides of, or additions to, the system-wide defaults. So you > > would not really want to use that location for a new session type, which > > could be used by many users on one machine. I think you want to use > > > > /etc/xdg/lxsession/LubuntuCMP/autostart > > > > or similar. But IMO anyone creating new sessions for commercial use > > which they will then need to support, should already know this :) > > > >> As already told I'm not new to linux but for sure I need to learn > >> more. You right, I'm doing it for business purpouse, is for that > >> reason I join this group starting to ask for help. If you don't think > >> is the right place I'll humbly stop writing here and start asking on > >> forums. > > > > As long as the work you do is shared, and made publically available > > under appropriate open source licences, for me there's no direct issue > > or problem with it being "for business". However, that > > business-oriented goal requires a high level of knowledge, and ability > > to offer good in depth technical support to your paying clients. > > Getting to that point can take a long time, as well as the willingness > > to learn. I've been using Linux since 1992, running Internet-facing > > servers on Linux since 1994 :) > > > > It gets Lubuntu and Linux as a whole a "bad name" when someone promotes > > its use in a business environment, businesses believe them and pay for > > help getting started, etc. -- and then the Linux promoter cannot support > > it fully when the business has critical time-sensitive issues! My guess > > is that you are at least tens of hours of technical work and learning > > away from being able to confidently offer the appropriate level of > > support for business users for these customized Lubuntu desktops. > > > > So, until then, I would suggest you develop your customizations of the > > Lubuntu DE "out in the open", as part of the existing Lubuntu community, > > putting the info you learn on a public wiki page as you go, so we can > > all benefit from that. Start out doing it more "for fun" or "to improve > > Lubuntu". There is no need to wait until it is all "perfect" and ready > > to be sold or used in a consulting business to clearly document (a) what > > you are trying to do, and (b) the pieces of those goals you have already > > accomplished and (c) exactly how you got there. > > > >> But let me be clear, I want to understand, I'm not looking for a > >> simple solution offered by others. > > > > OK. man lxsession (oops there isn't one, lxsession --help !), man > > lxpanel, man Xsession, man Xsession.options, man dbus-launch, read > > /usr/bin/startlubuntu in detail, read the scripts under > > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ and the files under /etc/xdg/ etc. etc. Read the > > relevant specs at http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/ . The > > information you need is already right there on your machine, for the > > most part. > > > >> When I'll have achieved a good result)I'll happily share with you, > >> others people (is there a group involved? ) and I create a Wiki, > >> trust me. > > > > Just start a wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com now, and post to lubuntu-users > > about it occasionally. No need to wait for "a good result". My script > > already creates a working additional session type. Add enhancements to > > it, and you'll end up with a good way to repeatable perform the > > customizations you think are valuable to others. Make your improved > > script(s) available so others can use them and modify them too. For > > example, I *think* lxpanel might default to looking for system-wide > > profiles under /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/* but I am not sure... if you > > can make that work, then there is no need for the per user creation of > > lxpanel configuration files and directories under ~/.config/lxpanel that > > my script currently does. It's just a quick hack to demonstrate that > > setting up a new session type is not *that* complex. > > > > There are others on the lubuntu-users mailing list who have suggested > > that making "prettier" desktops for Lubuntu would attract more users. I > > am trying to remember who I talked to about this recently, and failing! > > It's not an area of particular interest to me -- if it works, then I > > don't really care whether the panel is at the top or bottom, or what > > exact shade of grey or blue things are, etc. etc. Most of the time, my > > desktops are covered by shell windows, Emacs windows, or web browser > > windows anyway! But you are not alone in having an interest in doing > > this kind of thing. > > > > Unfortunately, my sense is that so far what usually happens is that > > someone creates a pretty desktop that they like, shows it off to their > > friends, who are impressed... and that's about as far as it goes. The > > lessons learned, and the scripts used to set up the customizations in a > > reliable and repeatble way, are not documented or made public, so there > > is little long term value to the Lubuntu community as a whole. Later > > someone else comes along, and does the same thing, learning the same > > kinds of lessons all over again. I think that is a waste. Maybe this > > time it can be different? > > > > Maybe you can aim to have some of your work packaged in a new > > lubuntu-settings-extras .deb in time for Lubuntu 14.04 ? > > > > Jonathan > > > > > >
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