Also posting from above: Not sure why these posts from 2016 came out in recent digest, but I would support Nio & Aere's request for continuing to support i386 development, in comparison to PPC, where it might be said that there aren't that many machines, I would assume that there are quite a few extant PC's that are still being used . . . around the world, and so having access to a supported OS should be "viable" and therefore, helpful . . . .
F > > [continuing top posting] > > Hi everybody, > > 1. I think that we should keep making the current 32-bit versions alias > 'i386' (with i686 kernels) of Lubuntu, Ubuntu Server, mini.iso and the > other flavours that want to keep it. > > I agree with Aere's arguments (near the end of this mail). > > 2. I can understand and accept that PowerPC support will end. > > Best regards > Nio > > Den 2016-11-16 kl. 23:58, skrev Walter Lapchynski: > > Aere: I think what Ubuntu is discussing is removing i386/x86/32-bit, > > i.e. going all amd64/x64/64-bit. And yes, it would very negatively > > impact many Lubuntu users as well as the goals of the Lubuntu project as > > a whole. > > > > Unfortunately, I was not able to make it to the session. For those of us > > in the same boat, here's some links: > > * YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXzYG4d7poQ > > * EtherPad: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1611-architecture-discussions > > * IRC: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/11/16/%23ubuntu-uos-core. > html#t14:55 > > > > The majority of this conversation concerned PPC. I think the long answer > > is there are some rather annoying endian bugs and a yaboot issue that no > > one currently supporting PPC (Lubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Server) has > > the resources to deal with. Not to mention upstream. I'll let those > > leading the discussion (cc'd) confirm this, but it sounds like by when > > support for existing PPC releases end, it will be time to stop providing > > any sort of PPC images. > > > > As far as my perspective is concerned, I'm perfectly happy with dropping > > PPC. It makes me sad. PPC brought me to the Lubuntu community. However, > > it becomes increasingly harder to make PPC users happy. The successes > > that we have had in recent times are largely by accident. Neither > > Lubuntu nor Ubuntu MATE have the resources to support PPC. It does sound > > like Ubuntu Server will be dropping PPC. I think it only makes sense for > > us to follow suit. > > > > Apparently, there are plans in place to evaluate the health of the PPC > > port during the Z cycle and so a decision on removing PPC from the > > archives will likely come in 6 months time. Even then, it sounds like > > that's going to be a temporary delay to PPC's inevitable removal. > > > > Turning to x86, one of the things that was brought up in this discussion > > was limited support for x86 among browsers. Chrome (and yes, upstream > > Chromium) dropped support for it entirely. Firefox continues to provide > > x86 support though there is [some talk][1] about removing support for > > some CPU extensions which could affect a small subset of x86 users. > > Probably not a big issue. Suffice it to say, this seems to be a moot > issue. > > > > However, there was some discussion about the fact that since the vast > > majority of new machines are x86_64, much in the way of development and > > QA (even upstream) has been done on x86_64, and as such x86 bugs are > > popping up that were not otherwise being noticed. > > > > Ubuntu has moved x86 download links to alternate downloads, so you have > > to actually hunt for them. Apparently, there's not a lot of backlash on > > this. Of course, we all know Unity isn't exactly all that usable on > > these vintage of machines. > > > > One thing I'm happy to hear is that no one's talking about removing x86 > > outside of Ubuntu Desktop and Server (nothing definitive yet). It > > doesn't sound like it's going to be removed from the archives. The > > feeling appears that it's well supported upstream. That said, it's on > > the shoulders of flavors to decide on what to do. > > > > [1]: https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2016/02/10/sse2-support- > in-firefox-users/ > > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Aere Greenway > > <a...@dvorak-keyboards.com <mailto:a...@dvorak-keyboards.com>> wrote: > > > > On 11/16/2016 05:45 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > > > > 2016-11-14 21:36 GMT+01:00 Walter Lapchynski <w...@ubuntu.com > > <mailto:w...@ubuntu.com>>: > > > > It should be pointed out that this discussion is not only > > about PPC but it's > > also about i386. Since i386 is a major target of Lubuntu, I > > would advise > > attendance. > > > > I'm woking this day, so I will not be able to attempt :-( > > > > However, dropping i386 will be a very bad signal for our users. > It > > will be difficult to maintain the fact that Lubuntu is for old > > computers if this kind of support is dropped ... > > > > Regards, > > Julien Lavergne > > > > Walter & Julien: > > > > What is meant by the proposal of "dropping i386"? > > > > Does it mean dropping all 32-bit machines (as 'i386' in Debian > > packages would imply)? > > > > If so, I think that would be a very extreme, draconian thing to do. > > > > In my particular case, it would mean that seven of the machines in > > my test-bed would have to be consigned to the junk-heap. > > > > If it affects me this drastically, I'm sure it will negatively > > impact a lot of other users. > > > > Even if a machine can run 64-bit, if it doesn't have a lot of > > memory, I will use the i386 version of the OS, because it uses the > > limited memory better, and requires measurably less memory for the > OS. > > > > If, on the other hand, 'dropping i386' means removing support for > > Intel-based machines that don't have support of certain > > machine-instructions, it would be less of an impact (probably two > > machines in my test-bed to be junked), but I would also loose the > > ability to test with minimum machines because of that. > > > > I am unable to test with virtual box machines because virtual box > > introduces too much latency (delay between pressing a key and > > hearing the sound). > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > Aere > > > > > > > > > > -- > > @wxl | polka.bike > > C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D > > 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A > > > > > > > > > >
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