[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just watching for MTNs move. Celtel has gone on to make one on one > random convincing calls to clients from other networks and its really > working. You get your old number back 075 + old six digits
Cool. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark > Tinka Sent: 29 April 2004 11:39 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Tinka the wizard in should work again...as per this email.. > > Have MTN joined the club yet? > >> >> " ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Tinka" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:59 AM >> Subject: lug_: Inter-Operator Call Fees >> >> >> > I wonder, if CelTel woke up o ne morning and said call >> charges to other > operators (UTL, Mango, MTN) were the same >> as calling another Celtel user on >> > their network, how much would it impact their business, and >> the business of >> > their competitors? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Mark Tinka >> > Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland >> >> Since then we have seen this happen....we need more to happen.. >> >> kind regards >> Marko >> >> I run on IP >> _________________________________ A Network of People and Technology >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark >> Tinka Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:54 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees >> >> My dear, that was quite a hiatus :). >> >> Regards, >> >> Mark Tinka >> Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:08 PM To: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees >> >> >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> Sorry, I hadnt seen this before. I am on leave at the moment and >> really just swinging through here. Will look at it and give you and >> answer as soon as I get round to my account again. >> >> CHao >> >> >> >> >> >> "Mark Tinka" >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> ine.co.sz> cc: >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Subject: RE: lug_: >> Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees 02/26/04 11:57 AM >> >> Please respond to >> >> mtinka >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From an ISP's perspective, it becomes harder to work with a single >> operator in UG (in terms of dial-up) for several reasons, but one I >> find key is that Operator A might have a superior network that ISP >> thinks is robust, but wouldn't find suitable to Clients A-F because >> they use Operator B, and inter-operator fees would be a menace. >> >> This means you need to support both operators in your NOC, for the >> sake of costs, instead of redundancy and reliability. This erodes the >> sheer fabric of raw competition, as competition could be based on >> your operating costs. Concentration is then focused on balancing both >> scenarios, rather than selling a product/service to the final user. >> >> I beg to ask, what would the impact of a 0/= inter-operator fee >> between the 3 carriers have on the operations of ISP's, more >> specifically in the dial sector? >> >> How much more penetration, diversity and quality of Internet service >> would be realised? >> >> Note: I've brought in Irene Kaggwa (whom I like to dubb IP Liaison to >> the UCC :)) of the UCC into the thread, for arguments' sake. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Mark Tinka >> Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Patrick Ssesanga Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:29 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees >> >> >> >> Of course a 0 tarrif would make a difference. Looking at the >> environment 2day I must admit that branding plays a much bigger >> part in attracting customers than just price. I have used all >> three networks and quality-wise - I hand it to Celtel, probably >> because there are fewer subscribers. >> >> >> I think the inter-connection fees have to be regulated and >> infact enforced by UCC. The problem is that the individuals >> there might not be 'interested' in doing so. And of course >> operators such as MTN are using that tariff to block >> interconnection. You could argue that they are behaving like >> M$! Since all networks are local UCC can help by insiting that >> users pay the same for the interconnection as they pay on their >> network (problem solved). Then let the operators fight their >> marketing/branding/pricing wars. >> >> >> I think that's the way to go. It's only UCC that can do the job >> as I can't see how the operators can agree on that between >> themselves especially given how some of them exploit the >> situation. >> >> >> - ses >> >> >> >> >> Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >> --------------------------------------------- This service is >> hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug >> >> >> it is like a ping pong game , subscribers move to the cheaper >> provider after evaluating price and also customer base.. I dont >> care about how cheap celtel is, the question would be are all >> the people i want to talk to on celtel or do i have those extra >> 100's to pay for calling another network. This has also been a >> never ending battle , a telco wakes up one morning and removes >> service fee , well and good that will work and 'MAKE' it seem >> cheaper but that is not good enough for many people to just >> switch over. So for something like this to work out , The >> providers really have to sit down and bump there heads in a >> conference room till they come to a good agreement. Everyone is >> in it to win and make money , so it is just a price war and >> interconnection plays a big part. Atleast thats what i think . >> >> >> >> >> --- >> rgds >> >> David Ziggy Lubowa >> Customer Support Engineer >> Africa Online ( U ) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Ssesanga >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:27 AM >> Subject: RE: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees >> >> >> >> I think such a loss would be short term if the strategy works. >> Think about it this way: With cheaper connection tarrifs from >> Celtel to other MSPs than the reverse, Celtel attracts more >> customers to exploit the low tarrif. In the long run the people >> they are calling on the other networks have crossed over anyway >> (and you have more intra-Celtel calls than outgoing) and all >> Celtel have to do is think of a customer retention strategy. >> >> >> That is the game of business. Woo them, hope they come and if >> they do find a way of retaining them. It is dicey, but that is >> one of the strategies they have to attract customers. If you >> have been to the market you know what I am talking about. >> >> >> -ses >> >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "David Ziggy Lubowa" >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: >> Subject: lug_: Re: Inter-Operator Call Fees >> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:16:18 +0300 >> >> >> Celtel would loose alot of money and there competitors will >> gain more , unless all the telco's sit down and have a basic >> small interconnection fee. Besides that it would be too >> risky to even think about it unless they all decide at >> one go and have the same figures across the board. But >> it would be good, more minutes would be sold i think . >> >> >> >> --- >> rgds >> >> David Ziggy Lubowa >> Customer Support Engineer >> Africa Online ( U ) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Tinka" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 9:59 AM >> Subject: lug_: Inter-Operator Call Fees >> >> >> > I wonder, if CelTel woke up o ne morning and said call >> charges to other > operators (UTL, Mango, MTN) were the same >> as calling another Celtel user on >> > their network, how much would it impact their business, and >> the business of >> > their competitors? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Mark Tinka >> > Technical Manager, Africa Online Swaziland >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------- >> > This service is hosted on the Infocom network >> > http://www.infocom.co.ug >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> This service is hosted on the Infocom network >> http://www.infocom.co.ug >> >> Tired of spam? 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