> But we all know the future the giants will win and customers will > surffer don't you think they are worried too?....Anyway they are right > > killing 2 birds with one stone they give you > [data + voice = VoIP ] = Big money by the way compared to Voice only.
I see a scenario 15 years down the road where the "Sell Everything" attitude gets dropped by the Telcos in preference for leaner, highly profitable amd more efficient operations. By then, the demand for quality services will have outstripped the consumer ignorance that is currently rampant. Wire > > > henry wrote: > >>Nowaday Telcos now seem to be doing what pure ISPs where here for >>after building the pipes, they pump out the bandwidth as well >>i know this bcuz ive had to migrate to a major player who offered the >>pipess, internet, data links and all >>survival of our small ISPs notwithstanding >>can this result in a better deal for the consumer overall >>or perhaps if we let everyone do their specialised role >>rates may go down ? >> >>hmk >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mark Tinka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:43 PM >>Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB >> >> >> >> >>>On Saturday 09 April 2005 13:38, Ronny wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hi Henry ISP's these days can give you all what you want as long as you >>>>got the Dimes ask how much Campus(MUK ) is getting I wonder what they >>>>use it for :-D .With these new cheap WAN tech mushrooming up .Give it >>>> 1 >>>>year you will have 128K+ at 200K a month. >>>>We pray our Telecoms cut thier >>>>prices for the pipes leave alone the internet Bandwidth.Question who of >>>>the Telecoms offers xDSL services in UG? >>>> >>>> >>>Service uptake will be largely determined by which type of WAN >>> technology >>> >>> >>is >> >> >>>deployed and how much the CPE will cost. Traditional WAN services, i.e., >>> >>> >>PPP, >> >> >>>HDLC, e.t.c, are largely expensive because of the way bandwidth is used >>> by >>>customers (frame relay somewhat mitigates that, but not well enough for >>>average Joe). Needless to say, typical CPE for such technologies is too >>>pricey, e.g., if wireless gear cost much less than it did today, more >>> and >>>more people would sign on - but while the investment in a wireless >>> >>> >>backbone >> >> >>>might not be considerable given expected ROI, the cost of the CPE is >>> still >>>the killer. >>> >>>DSL is expensive for telcos to deploy, as it's volume dependent, very >>> >>> >>distance >> >> >>>sensitive and has to work around legacy telephone network issues, e.g., >>> >>> >>load >> >> >>>coils, oxidized lines, congested backhauls, e.t.c. However, it's very >>> >>> >>popular >> >> >>>not only because of the typical business model applied by all broadband >>>ISP's, but also because CPE that can offer up to 10Mbps of WAN >>> >>> >>connectivity >> >> >>>is cheaper than the cheapest Cisco router and good for DYI. >>> >>>Mark. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ronny >>>> >>>>henry wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>No worries kurup >>>>>theres no legal angle to it >>>>>besides as far as ISP loyalty is concerned >>>>>We nether face east nor west >>>>>we consumers face forward >>>>>gud de >>>>> >>>>>Hmk >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Hari Kurup" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>To: "Linux Users Group Uganda" <[email protected]> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:11 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Henry, maybe I needed to have put a disclaimer: Any opinions >>>>>> expressed >>>>>>or implied by me do not neessarily reflect the views of Infocom or >>>>>> its >>>>>>management. >>>>>>But that said, I have not seen anyone on this list from that ISP you >>>>>> >>>>>> >>are >> >> >>>>>>on.... except for one sympathiser (names withheld). :-) >>>>>>Have a nice weekend. >>>>>> >>>>>>Kurup >>>>>> >>>>>>Henry wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Ok I get it >>>>>>>ISPs wont give us the broadband we want unless we justify the need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>them >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>They will even go so far as to tell us how much we can have and what >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>we >> >> >>>>>>>cannot afford ;-) >>>>>>>Sounds a lil like the fixed lines of a utl a couple of years ago >>>>>>>But all in good spirit >>>>>>>I now realize it takes a combined effort from several players >>>>>>>And that takes for a consumer "culture" to develop >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Enter the universities >>>>>>>Put broadband at the universities ( there are so many nowadays!) >>>>>>>They will want it for the rest of their working lives >>>>>>>And a broadband culture will be born. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hmk >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: Mark Tinka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 11:16 AM >>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>Cc: Henry >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On Friday 08 April 2005 09:50, Henry wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And it is not cheap, even if it is local bandwidth. A reasonably >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>clear >> >> >>>>>>>>audio stream (forget video) needs like 32Kbps for each person >>>>>>>>streaming. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Not necessarily, depends on what codec you use (which would depend >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>what >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>hardware you use). In some cases, the right player can help a great >>>>>>>deal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Quality is getting better with smaller pipes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Ive learnt that Cheap is a relative term mfriend >>>>>>>>The user decides which conveniences are worth paying for >>>>>>>>Besides, you don't halt a project to build a 4 star hotel just >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>because >> >> >>>>>>>>there are cheaper alternatives ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Who pays for it and why would someone pay anyway when he can pick >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>it >> >> >>>>>>>>freely on his radio >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>1- An available forum for specialized channels >>>>>>>>Eg: click on a button and get a replay for the capital gang show >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>missed >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is on demand content - which is how the Internet works today. A >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>website >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>will be there today, tomorrow and the next day, nothing new. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Putting up the audio clip may not cost the radio stations much, >>>>>>>depending >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>on >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>whether they are offering it as a download or a stream. Besides, >>>>>>> lots >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>of >> >> >>>>>>>streaming/hosting companies in the developed world can offer you a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>T-1 >> >> >>>>>>>connection for your content for less than $50/month. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>2 - bcuz its there! Why shouldn't I use the company Bandwidth to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>view >> >> >>>>>>>clips >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>of a local football match while the boss accesses footage of his >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>marketing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>seminars, ( while we work ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Because like Kurup said, it costs your company. If the game you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>missed >> >> >>>>>>>is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>on >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>an international server, your company (and your provider) have to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>expend >> >> >>>>>>>expensive international capacity to bring the game to your PC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If the game were on a local server, well, that's another thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>ISP's are wary of "greedy customers", and may penalize your company >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>on >> >> >>>>>your >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>behalf for abuse of service. But I digress... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Mark. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>>>>>Behalf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hari Kurup >>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:58 AM >>>>>>>>To: Linux Users Group Uganda >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [LUG] GMAIl now at 2GB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Apr 7, 2005, at 6:39 PM, Henry wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Isnt the onus on the providers to show the people what they can do >>>>>>>>>with the >>>>>>>>>service >>>>>>>>>Way the mobile operators keep telling us how we can check for the >>>>>>>>>weather >>>>>>>>>and stuff on our fons? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Eg: Don't you think radio/ tv operators would love for people to >>>>>>>>>stream local talk shows onto their computers at home and office ? >>>>>>>>>But who would dare to venture into such a "complex" process unless >>>>>>>>>they had >>>>>>>>>someone from MTN, infocom .. to hold their hand for the first few >>>>>>>>>sessions >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>They radio/tv operators certainly would be interested. >>>>>>>>But as opposed to picking the signal off air with your TV or radio >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>for >> >> >>>>>>>>free, streaming requires bandwidth. >>>>>>>>And it is not cheap, even if it is local bandwidth. A reasonably >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>clear >> >> >>>>>>>>audio stream (forget video) needs like 32Kbps for each person >>>>>>>>streaming. >>>>>>>>Who pays for it and why would someone pay anyway when he can pick >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>freely on his radio. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Kurup >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>LUG mailing list >>>>>>>>[email protected] >>>>>>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>LUG mailing list >>>>>>>>[email protected] >>>>>>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>LUG mailing list >>>>>>>[email protected] >>>>>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>LUG mailing list >>>>>>[email protected] >>>>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>LUG mailing list >>>>>[email protected] >>>>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>LUG mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>LUG mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>%LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> >> > > > -- > *************************************************************************** > / ''We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are''\ > \ ,, ,,/ > *************************************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > LUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > _______________________________________________ LUG mailing list [email protected] http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
