While the LUG is in upbeat mood, anybody here have latest stable versions of Debian (4r5), OpenSuse(11) and Ubuntu server(8.10)? Aside from downloading them of course.
regards Joachim --- On Thu, 11/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: LUG Digest, Vol 51, Issue 20 > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 2:36 AM > Send LUG mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Obama (Wire James) > > Was the pre-installed culture a problem or an innovation > worth > celebrating? I honestly think it is a problem to those that > don't fancy > marketing. Despite being a FLOSS guy, I do admire some of > the marketing > innovations M$ brought into the Software industry. > > Wire > > On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:57 +0300, Simon Vass wrote: > > > Linux is attracting less than 20% on the desktop > market is quite simple. > > Linux is not easy to use. > > > > I think it has more to do with aggressive marketing by > Microsoft in > > making sure all OEM's install Windows. Windows 3.x > was a travesty in > > terms of easy of use but it started the whole > pre-installed culture > > which we are still fighting today. > > > > > > Simon > > > > Simon > > > > Mugarura Cavin wrote: > > > The reason why > > > Linux is attracting less than 20% on the desktop > market is quite simple. > > > Linux is not easy to use. You dont need a doctor > (Western/African) to > > > tell you this. The different distro's have > tried to address this > > > concern. So simon - I did not state that Linpus > is the messiah, but i > > > suggested that it has a chance. There could be > other's which are even > > > simpler. > > > > > > can i stop here. > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Send LUG mailing list submissions to > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World > Wide Web, visit > > >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line > so it is more specific > > >> than "Re: Contents of LUG > digest..." > > >> > > >> > > >> Today's Topics: > > >> > > >> 1. Re: Why You should all Care. (Simon > Vass) > > >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> Message: 1 > > >> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:58:10 +0300 > > >> From: Simon Vass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Why You should all Care. > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Linux Users Group > Uganda <[email protected]> > > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; > format=flowed > > >> > > >> and breath...... well said Jon. I think > Joseph might have been playing > > >> devil's advocate though. I was most > interested in > > >> > > >> Obama's rise to the highest seat, should > be a lesson to cliques who > > >> > > >>> think Microsoft will dominate forever, > > >>> i have i used several distro's of > Linux, but right now i might say > > >>> Linpus is the closest to wrestling > Windoze > > >>> from the lead. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Is there ways we can use this recent election > to draw experiences to > > >> promote Open Source? Yes I think that OSS can > be spread much faster > > >> through the grassroots, which seems to have > played a huge part in this > > >> election. We can encourage that changing to > use OSS is not something to > > >> fear but embrace. To quote the man "Yes > we can!". We can continue to > > >> define/develop how open source differs from > closed and keep explaining > > >> how the community works. > > >> > > >> IMHO I do not think any one distribution is > going to wrestle the lead > > >> from Microsoft, and in all honesty I think > this is no longer the battle. > > >> Focusing on the desktop has developed Linux a > long way but with more and > > >> more Applications being placed in the cloud I > think this is a) were the > > >> focus should be and b) were I think Linux > actually leads. What is > > >> interesting is that Microsoft are listening > and have sped up the > > >> development of Windows 7. This should be the > communities focus, as this > > >> I feel is a primary strength. The speed at > which many can move over one > > >> monolith company is amazing. I am always > amazed at how withing hours of > > >> a bug being filed in Linux fixes are posted, > where as it take MS weeks. > > >> > > >> This I feel is one of the OSS double edged > swords, that you can "skin > > >> the cat" any one of infinite > (exaggeration) ways and as such it become a > > >> myriad of options and choices, and no sooner > do you make your choice and > > >> a new one is presented. I seem to spend my > entire life reading and > > >> learning about new applications and methods, > which I love, but recognize > > >> this is not for everyone, and a very big part > of my job is to filter > > >> this for my clients. > > >> > > >> So how to we retain the complexity and > diversity of OSS, but at the same > > >> time allow people (including me) to make > simple decisions as to which > > >> OS/Email App/etc they would like to use, and > would do the best for them. > > >> > > >> Personally I feel very buoyed about the > elections in the U.S. and > > >> especially by the reaction of the world to > it. I too come from a diverse > > >> background and have a diverse heritage. > Anything that allow > > >> people/countries to move beyond the politics > of me to us and our I think > > >> can only be a good thing. I especially was > blown away at how > > >> Youtube/Twitter played a part in this > election. Whilst the realism that > > >> for the majority of Africans is that this is > still a world away, slowly > > >> one person at a time this is changing and > with it the way we must view > > >> the world as a collection of individual > countries and or distributions. > > >> > > >> Simon > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> J.Gosier wrote: > > >> > > >>> I can't believe this was said from a > native African. > > >>> > > >>> Here is the one reason why everyone in > the world should care that > > >>> Obama is th president Elect of the United > States. Since World War II > > >>> the U.S. has been the most powerful, > influential nation on the > > >>> planet. For better or for worse, the > economy exploded rapidly, the > > >>> state of Europe today was 100% affected > by what happened then and > > >>> Africa has been on the receiving end of > shovels full of money from > > >>> both the U.S., Europe, the U.N. and the > World Bank. Because of other > > >>> nations meddling, there's been a > chess game at work when it comes to > > >>> Africa's developing countries. One > leader is aided in wresting power > > >>> from someone else more corrupt because > other nations around the globe > > >>> have vested interests in having someone > 'friendly' to their ideals. > > >>> That more than anything has been the > story of Africa since colonialism. > > >>> > > >>> This has lead to the deaths of millions > to the rise of a number of > > >>> 'bad idea to begin with' leaders > all over the continent. As much as > > >>> America claims it doesn't play this > game, it does. It's helped define > > >>> borders (ex. Liberia) and end wars. > It's helped fight famine and slow > > >>> the spread of AIDS. > > >>> > > >>> So whomever controls the most powerful > and influential nation in the > > >>> world, becomes by default the most > powerful person in the world. That > > >>> person can be an stubborn, intolerant, > childish, ignorant, > > >>> unprecedented moron like Georgia W. Bush > or it can be a progressive, > > >>> inspirational, open-minded person like > Barack Obama. > > >>> > > >>> When the U.S. bombed Somalia looking for > Al-Quaeda in 2006-7 you're > > >>> telling me it 'didn't matter' > who was in charge to make that > > >>> decision? When we started an endless war > in Iraq for reasons that > > >>> were blatant lies to the American public, > it 'didn't matter' who was > > >>> in charge? When our country put pressure > on all our 'allies' to > > >>> mirror our decisions in all this, it > 'didn't matter' who was in > > >>> charge? When the American economy tanked > because of poor regulation > > >>> and oversight from our government, it > 'didn't matter' that this > > >>> rippled around the world (arguably) > sending the world economy into > > >>> recession? And ultimately, when George > Bush and John McCain tell the > > >>> American public 'Nothing is wrong, > everything is fine. We must stay > > >>> the course.' it doesn't matter? > Despite the fact that most of the > > >>> world disagreed with how we were making > decisions. It absolutely > > >>> matters. In fact it matters so much, it > matters more than it > > >>> *should*, for the sake of > 'world-democracy'. > > >>> > > >>> Even if you don't agree with the > policies, the ideals and culture of > > >>> America, one thing is for sure: we're > all connected. My interest in > > >>> what's going on in America right now > is every bit as deep as my > > >>> concern for what will happen to the ANC > in South Africa and the > > >>> situation in Congo. One thing affects > another and, especially in > > >>> Africa, history shows us that when one > area falls into a chaos, it has > > >>> a way of negatively affecting the > countries around it. > > >>> > > >>> People around the world often complain > about how dumb, ignorant and > > >>> aggressive American people can be. > I'd argue that, while one man > > >>> can't possibly change 300 million > people, he can lead in a way that > > >>> inspires more to be like him. He can > simply serve as a positive > > >>> example. > > >>> > > >>> The excitement has nothing to do with the > fact that he's black and a > > >>> first generation African-American, in my > opinion. That's just a > > >>> footnote among all the reasons to be > excited about Obama...and this is > > >>> coming from a Black-American. I'd > have been just as excited if his > > >>> ancestry were Asian whatever else if his > ideals and philosophies were > > >>> the same. Hilary Clinton would have made > an 'okay' leader but a few > > >>> things curbed my interest in her a) how > she (negatively) ran her > > >>> campaign and b) the fact she supported > the Iraq war. Again, it has > > >>> nothing to do with race or gender, > it's all about the mans mentality > > >>> and what he's exemplified in his > actions. > > >>> > > >>> Okay, enough ranting about my country for > now. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Jonathan D. Gosier > > >>> Appfrica International > > >>> P.O. Box 1420 Kampala, Uganda > > >>> http://appfrica.net - African Technology > and Social Media Blog > > >>> http://appfrica.org - Incubator for East > African Entrepreneurs in Software > > >>> > > >>> Uganda +256.773806071 > > >>> USA +1.520.318.0828 ext 145 > > >>> UK +44.2032398156 > > >>> Skype j.gosier > > >>> Twitter appfrica > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> joseph mpora wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I really don't see the cause for > all the excitement. I can understand > > >>>> why African-Americans are excited, > it's the first time the US has > > >>>> picked a president from a minority > (can't remember the exact > > >>>> percentage but its around 20%) > > >>>> > > >>>> For Africa, it probably bears not > real significance. Obama is > > >>>> American, his priority is America. I > believe his dad (the Kenyan) > > >>>> abandoned his family and Obama has > only visited Kenya a few times. > > >>>> > > >>>> Would we be this excited if it had > been Hillary Clinton, an election > > >>>> which would have been just as > historic? > > >>>> > > >>>> PS: I was routing for Obama, mostly > because what he said made sense, > > >>>> not because he is black (ahem, > African-American) > > >>>> > > >>>> J > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM, > Dennis M S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> Need i say more....history has > been made ,now every down trodden > > >>>>> fellow can dream....it can only b > USA > > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> LUG mailing list > > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>>>> > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > >>>>> %LUG is generously hosted by > INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The above comments and data are > owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). > The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > > >>>>> > --------------------------------------- > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>>> LUG mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > > >>>> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM > http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > >>>> > > >>>> The above comments and data are owned > by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). 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