Wire, I am with you on that admiration. For a while, I was a Linux disciple who loathed what M$ was doing - anti trust monopoly and all. Over time when I delved into my own , I more and more appreciated why and how they do it, esp. when I started seeing the other folks in Eastern Europe, China and India looking for something to break the monopoly; Apple has stuck to their niche, even closed out folks for a while before they learn how to hack into their 3G. So you are right; marketing has alot to do with it. However good your product is, if you don't know who to entice someone to use it ; try and buy, give it for free till someone is addicted to it, ... bare all ...; it will stay in your garage laptop where only u or your peers, your dog knows "how good" you are; but yet they are not buying your product or using it to enable u find bugs, more uses, improve it , get version 3, 6, 9....! These days when I see the Bill and Melissa gates foundation, I smile knowing some bucks we pay are helping eliminate malaria from our country.
warmest regards Shem Nnaggenda Kanabi-Nsubuga "Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy will be fresh for the fight. Whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted" ________________________________________________________________________ ___ ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wire James Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:34 PM To: Linux Users Group Uganda Subject: Re: [LUG] Re: Obama Was the pre-installed culture a problem or an innovation worth celebrating? I honestly think it is a problem to those that don't fancy marketing. Despite being a FLOSS guy, I do admire some of the marketing innovations M$ brought into the Software industry. Wire On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:57 +0300, Simon Vass wrote: Linux is attracting less than 20% on the desktop market is quite simple. Linux is not easy to use. I think it has more to do with aggressive marketing by Microsoft in making sure all OEM's install Windows. Windows 3.x was a travesty in terms of easy of use but it started the whole pre-installed culture which we are still fighting today. Simon Simon Mugarura Cavin wrote: > The reason why > Linux is attracting less than 20% on the desktop market is quite simple. > Linux is not easy to use. You dont need a doctor (Western/African) to > tell you this. The different distro's have tried to address this > concern. So simon - I did not state that Linpus is the messiah, but i > suggested that it has a chance. There could be other's which are even > simpler. > > can i stop here. > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Send LUG mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Why You should all Care. (Simon Vass) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:58:10 +0300 >> From: Simon Vass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Why You should all Care. >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> and breath...... well said Jon. I think Joseph might have been playing >> devil's advocate though. I was most interested in >> >> Obama's rise to the highest seat, should be a lesson to cliques who >> >>> think Microsoft will dominate forever, >>> i have i used several distro's of Linux, but right now i might say >>> Linpus is the closest to wrestling Windoze >>> from the lead. >>> >>> >>> >> Is there ways we can use this recent election to draw experiences to >> promote Open Source? Yes I think that OSS can be spread much faster >> through the grassroots, which seems to have played a huge part in this >> election. We can encourage that changing to use OSS is not something to >> fear but embrace. To quote the man "Yes we can!". We can continue to >> define/develop how open source differs from closed and keep explaining >> how the community works. >> >> IMHO I do not think any one distribution is going to wrestle the lead >> from Microsoft, and in all honesty I think this is no longer the battle. >> Focusing on the desktop has developed Linux a long way but with more and >> more Applications being placed in the cloud I think this is a) were the >> focus should be and b) were I think Linux actually leads. What is >> interesting is that Microsoft are listening and have sped up the >> development of Windows 7. This should be the communities focus, as this >> I feel is a primary strength. The speed at which many can move over one >> monolith company is amazing. I am always amazed at how withing hours of >> a bug being filed in Linux fixes are posted, where as it take MS weeks. >> >> This I feel is one of the OSS double edged swords, that you can "skin >> the cat" any one of infinite (exaggeration) ways and as such it become a >> myriad of options and choices, and no sooner do you make your choice and >> a new one is presented. I seem to spend my entire life reading and >> learning about new applications and methods, which I love, but recognize >> this is not for everyone, and a very big part of my job is to filter >> this for my clients. >> >> So how to we retain the complexity and diversity of OSS, but at the same >> time allow people (including me) to make simple decisions as to which >> OS/Email App/etc they would like to use, and would do the best for them. >> >> Personally I feel very buoyed about the elections in the U.S. and >> especially by the reaction of the world to it. I too come from a diverse >> background and have a diverse heritage. Anything that allow >> people/countries to move beyond the politics of me to us and our I think >> can only be a good thing. I especially was blown away at how >> Youtube/Twitter played a part in this election. Whilst the realism that >> for the majority of Africans is that this is still a world away, slowly >> one person at a time this is changing and with it the way we must view >> the world as a collection of individual countries and or distributions. >> >> Simon >> >> >> >> J.Gosier wrote: >> >>> I can't believe this was said from a native African. >>> >>> Here is the one reason why everyone in the world should care that >>> Obama is th president Elect of the United States. Since World War II >>> the U.S. has been the most powerful, influential nation on the >>> planet. For better or for worse, the economy exploded rapidly, the >>> state of Europe today was 100% affected by what happened then and >>> Africa has been on the receiving end of shovels full of money from >>> both the U.S., Europe, the U.N. and the World Bank. Because of other >>> nations meddling, there's been a chess game at work when it comes to >>> Africa's developing countries. One leader is aided in wresting power >>> from someone else more corrupt because other nations around the globe >>> have vested interests in having someone 'friendly' to their ideals. >>> That more than anything has been the story of Africa since colonialism. >>> >>> This has lead to the deaths of millions to the rise of a number of >>> 'bad idea to begin with' leaders all over the continent. As much as >>> America claims it doesn't play this game, it does. It's helped define >>> borders (ex. Liberia) and end wars. It's helped fight famine and slow >>> the spread of AIDS. >>> >>> So whomever controls the most powerful and influential nation in the >>> world, becomes by default the most powerful person in the world. That >>> person can be an stubborn, intolerant, childish, ignorant, >>> unprecedented moron like Georgia W. Bush or it can be a progressive, >>> inspirational, open-minded person like Barack Obama. >>> >>> When the U.S. bombed Somalia looking for Al-Quaeda in 2006-7 you're >>> telling me it 'didn't matter' who was in charge to make that >>> decision? When we started an endless war in Iraq for reasons that >>> were blatant lies to the American public, it 'didn't matter' who was >>> in charge? When our country put pressure on all our 'allies' to >>> mirror our decisions in all this, it 'didn't matter' who was in >>> charge? When the American economy tanked because of poor regulation >>> and oversight from our government, it 'didn't matter' that this >>> rippled around the world (arguably) sending the world economy into >>> recession? And ultimately, when George Bush and John McCain tell the >>> American public 'Nothing is wrong, everything is fine. We must stay >>> the course.' it doesn't matter? Despite the fact that most of the >>> world disagreed with how we were making decisions. It absolutely >>> matters. In fact it matters so much, it matters more than it >>> *should*, for the sake of 'world-democracy'. >>> >>> Even if you don't agree with the policies, the ideals and culture of >>> America, one thing is for sure: we're all connected. My interest in >>> what's going on in America right now is every bit as deep as my >>> concern for what will happen to the ANC in South Africa and the >>> situation in Congo. One thing affects another and, especially in >>> Africa, history shows us that when one area falls into a chaos, it has >>> a way of negatively affecting the countries around it. >>> >>> People around the world often complain about how dumb, ignorant and >>> aggressive American people can be. I'd argue that, while one man >>> can't possibly change 300 million people, he can lead in a way that >>> inspires more to be like him. He can simply serve as a positive >>> example. >>> >>> The excitement has nothing to do with the fact that he's black and a >>> first generation African-American, in my opinion. That's just a >>> footnote among all the reasons to be excited about Obama...and this is >>> coming from a Black-American. I'd have been just as excited if his >>> ancestry were Asian whatever else if his ideals and philosophies were >>> the same. Hilary Clinton would have made an 'okay' leader but a few >>> things curbed my interest in her a) how she (negatively) ran her >>> campaign and b) the fact she supported the Iraq war. Again, it has >>> nothing to do with race or gender, it's all about the mans mentality >>> and what he's exemplified in his actions. >>> >>> Okay, enough ranting about my country for now. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Jonathan D. Gosier >>> Appfrica International >>> P.O. Box 1420 Kampala, Uganda >>> http://appfrica.net - African Technology and Social Media Blog >>> http://appfrica.org - Incubator for East African Entrepreneurs in Software >>> >>> Uganda +256.773806071 >>> USA +1.520.318.0828 ext 145 >>> UK +44.2032398156 >>> Skype j.gosier >>> Twitter appfrica >>> >>> >>> joseph mpora wrote: >>> >>>> I really don't see the cause for all the excitement. I can understand >>>> why African-Americans are excited, it's the first time the US has >>>> picked a president from a minority (can't remember the exact >>>> percentage but its around 20%) >>>> >>>> For Africa, it probably bears not real significance. Obama is >>>> American, his priority is America. I believe his dad (the Kenyan) >>>> abandoned his family and Obama has only visited Kenya a few times. >>>> >>>> Would we be this excited if it had been Hillary Clinton, an election >>>> which would have been just as historic? >>>> >>>> PS: I was routing for Obama, mostly because what he said made sense, >>>> not because he is black (ahem, African-American) >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Dennis M S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Need i say more....history has been made ,now every down trodden >>>>> fellow can dream....it can only b USA >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> LUG mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>>>> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>>>> >>>>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). 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