Andrew, I think we could also argue all day about what makes a mid-tier and enterprise CMS. To give you a bit more history. I started using Ez-Publish around version 3.5. I loved it and at the time am not sure if Drupal or any other CMS was close in feature set. I admit this was 5 years ago! Since then I have watched it mature from 3.5 to 4.1. The problem really came though when I wanted to change from the PHP 4.x codebase to the 5.x codebase. I think clustering would be fairly simple to arrange on either platform using a Web accelerator and DB Cluster. Using MySQL or PostreSQL I think also enables this fairly easily. The main problem I have with the speed is the cache. When you are doing heavy development on the site, I found you had to keep emptying it, which added lots of seconds to every change, and IMHO became very frustrating.
I grant you though 4.1 is nice, and has some cool features such as the youtube media interface and ez-components. Whilst I agree Oracle does produce a very serious database why is it always sited as a Enterprise feature? above say PostgreSQL which allows very easy multi-master clustering and the like, and I believe has a comparable speed, as well as not being proprietary. Not my emphasis of PostgreSQL not MySQL ;-) Still uncertain what MySQL's future is. But most importantly Andrew and the thing that brings a smile to my face, is the fact we have a choice. I can choose Drupal or whatever because thats what I prefer you can choose Ez-Publish. Switching from one to the other has cost me nothing more than my time and sweat not a single penny in license fees! My Knowledge of Joomla is zip so I'll leave it to Reinier to comment on that ;-) Hmmm CMS Showdown do I see a future LUG Topic in the making? Simon Vass Technical Manager E-Tech Uganda Ltd http://www.etech.ug Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 Email: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Bwogi" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009 07:45:27 GMT +03:00 Iraq Subject: [LUG] Re: LUG Digest, Vol 59, Issue 11 Simon, its interesting to know that you're so passionate about open source. I have longed to be part of such a community. Kudos to lug. Well, I love open source and via website development, CM Ss have eased the whole process. Open source has done it for me. I have actually used drupal, joomla, xoops, phpnuke, cms made simple, phpfusion, bit weaver and many other CMSs but I've come to learn that not many of them are as well supported by the open source community as drupal and joomla. I can bet on that. As to which is better of the two? We can argue till morning. Now, xoops, joomla, drupal, phpfusion, phpnuke name them are what we call mid-tier CMSs. These can do very well when it gets to small to medium sized sites. They are also used to manage large sites, however within certain limits. By large sites I am talking enterprise wide application and content management. Stuff like clustering, management of complex workflows, oracle support... cannot be mentioned with ease at this level. Ez publish, typo3 and a few others are the heavy weights in the CMS world. They are enterprise level. This should explain some of the challenges you faced in your experience with ezpublish. I personally had problems working with ezpublish on a windows platform via XAMMP and the WAMP binaries. However, when I set up Ez publish 4.1 on my Suse box running the webserver and mysql-the default packaging, I didn't get any problem. Infact the speed at which it ran was amazing and yet this was a very simple intranet site at one of the organisations around town. So, much as community sites can be setup easily using drupal, joomla and the like, when a tsunami similar to the death of the legend Michael Jackson strikes, the ability to withstand, let alone recover from it will greatly be determined by the 'backbone' applied. Other considerations put aside... Well, I don't know what you think of this.... Unfortunately, in the mid-tier, I think joomla beats drupal hands down especially when it gets to xommercial template production and support... Don't shoot me;) Andrew Bwogi, Kyambogo University. On 06/07/2009, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Send LUG mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: LUG Digest, Vol 59, Issue 9 (Simon Vass) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 06:30:15 +0000 (UTC) > From: Simon Vass <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LUG] Re: LUG Digest, Vol 59, Issue 9 > To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <12410103.35351246861815823.javamail.r...@mail> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Haha, Andrew, found that Ez-Publish is way slower than Drupal. Plus > upgrading from say 3.x to 3.10.x or 4.x seemed to be impossible and involved > multiple efforts or maybe a support contract?. In fact it was faster to > switch to Drupal which I did for the sites than fix whatever was wrong with > Ezpublish. > > Second Drupal wins hands down when it comes to modules, and the sheer > number! > > Simon Vass > Technical Manager > E-Tech Uganda Ltd > http://www.etech.ug > Tel: +256 (0) 312260620 or (0) 312260621 > Email: [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Bwogi" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 5 July, 2009 12:27:36 GMT +03:00 Iraq > Subject: [LUG] Re: LUG Digest, Vol 59, Issue 9 > > Guys, I've been developing sites on linux for a while now and > seriously speakin, CMSs rock. > > The only problem is that they are so many and plenty are well > supported. Joomla, php-nuke, drupal, bitweaver, the list is endless.. > All open source and very serious in nature. > > However, of all these, nothing beats ez publish in terms of > flexibility. I have used it for a while now. Attended one of their > conferences and guys, ez publish is really flexible. It even has an > API (ez components) for the programming nerds(I'm an object oriented > twisted mind!). But seriously, for those who've used CMSs, this will > blow you away. > > I must however add that a little programming experience would add to > the interesting experience, however you can find your way around this > one. > > Andrew Bwogi > Kyambogo University, NB I didn't design the university site though!!!!zzzz > > On 05/07/2009, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> Send LUG mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of LUG digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Website Development on Linux (Albert Lumu) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:03:39 +0300 >> From: Albert Lumu <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [LUG] Website Development on Linux >> To: Linux Users Group Uganda <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> You forgot to mention Wordpress 2.8.x - I know it is originally a blogging >> oriented CMS, but it is IMHO much better than drupal and the likes! >> >> Cheers. >> >> Albert >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:54 PM, joseph mpora <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> You should consider using a CMS (like drupal, joomla or mambo) to >>> develop your website. Then it won't matter if you have winblows, a Mac >>> or a Linux machine if your site is externally hosted. >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> On 7/3/09, Reinier Battenberg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Hi Simon, >>> > >>> > Between picking some tools and being able to create the nice stuff >>> > shown >>> on >>> > that website, you might want to read 1 or 2 tutorials about xhtml and >>> css. >>> > >>> > Here is a start: http://www.w3schools.com/ >>> > >>> > rgds, >>> > >>> > Reinier Battenberg >>> > Director >>> > Mountbatten Ltd. >>> > +256 782 801 749 >>> > www.mountbatten.net >>> > >>> > Be a professional website builder: www.easysites.ug >>> > >>> > >>> > On Friday 03 July 2009 15:17:21 Simon Peter Muwanga wrote: >>> >> Thanks. >>> >> >>> >> Am going to check it out. >>> >> >>> >> ideally, I would like a website with curved stuff like >>> >> http://www.opensuse.org/en/ . It looks impressive. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks once again. >>> >> Simon. >>> >> >>> >> Reinier Battenberg wrote: >>> >> > Hi, >>> >> > >>> >> > There is some flash: http://osflash.org (including an IDE). There is >>> >> > also >>> >> > the MING library, with which you can create flash animations >>> >> > onthefly >>> in >>> >> > PHP. >>> >> > >>> >> > Another thing you might want to check out, is the sourceforge >>> >> > project >>> of >>> >> > this month, a CMS completely built in flash. called Silex >>> >> > http://sourceforge.net/community/potm-200906/ >>> >> > >>> >> > (sourceforge is doing an upgrade for about 36 hours already. Our >>> >> > thoughts >>> >> > go out to the geeks-on-jolt-coke trying to get the new system >>> >> > running) >>> >> > >>> >> > rgds, >>> >> > >>> >> > Reinier Battenberg >>> >> > Director >>> >> > Mountbatten Ltd. >>> >> > +256 782 801 749 >>> >> > www.mountbatten.net >>> >> > >>> >> > Be a professional website builder: www.easysites.ug >>> >> > >>> >> > On Friday 03 July 2009 14:45:32 Kyle Spencer wrote: >>> >> >> Simon, >>> >> >> >>> >> >> There is no open-source alternative to Macromedia Flash that I'm >>> aware >>> >> >> of (if that's what you were referencing). >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Photoshops equivalent is pretty much GIMP. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> -Kyle >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Simon Peter Muwanga wrote: >>> >> >>> Hi, >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I would like to design a website on OpenSuse. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> What tools will do the job? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> For instance an equivalent of micromedia and photoshop would be >>> nice. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Thanking you, >>> >> >>> Simon. >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >>> LUG mailing list >>> >> >>> [email protected] >>> >> >>> http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/lug >>> >> >>> %LUG is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them >>> >> >>> (including >>> >> >>> attachments if any). 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