"Ed Durbrow" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> Piccinini mentions three kinds of 'tremoli': 1) 'tremolo longo': '...if it is a 0 you beat on the first, if it is the first you beat the second and so on... [main note trill]. 2) '...put the little finger on the third fret of the first string and in the same time the middle on the second fret , and straight away after you have plucked the string quickly you leavve the finger, so that it doesn't touch the string; and quickly and strongly it will go back in the same place, and it will be done' [Mordent].
> So he doesn't describe whether to start on the main or upper note. But he does, and Andrea kindly marked it with a short name in square brackets: [main note trill] and [mordent]. Both start from the main note, as it says. > Do you think then that the T sign means you can do any of the above ornaments? T means tremolo, either longo or secondo. At most places you can tell from context which one is suitable. >> About the trill in cadences I think you are right, and I would play with appoggiatura when the finger is already prepared. This is the french way that I can imagine permeated among italian lutenist thanks to courantes, voltes and so on. So perhaps in this kind of music we must more elastyc comparing to what we do in french music, where the trill always starts from the upper note and so on. There was a thread here about ornaments in English music (Robert Johnson et al). Stewart McCoy made a guess that trills and mordents always started from the main note and kept so, but a fashion came up to combine those two ornaments with an appogiatura. In some manuscripts, two different ornament signs indicate beginnings either from main or from not-main notes, respectively, i. e. either without or with appogiatura. Later on, those falls and backfalls weren't written out any more, as it was so common to let them precede trills and mordents. So, I'd say that combinations of trills or mordents with appogiature from above or below were European, not only French. BTW in French baroque lute music, mordents or trills do _not_ always start from upper notes. Have a look into Jacques Gallot's table of ornaments (1670). -- Best wishes, Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
