Hi Markus,
the initial point was there wouldn't be much sacred music *compared to* the
renaissance and I think this applies. But of course there is sacred music for
the baroque lute (as I already said maybe because of the living tradition of
domestic devotion).
I forgot to mention a quite charming setting which is preserved in Leipzig
("Fantasia sobre nun sich der Tag geendet hat" with variations) which is
republished by Antiqua Edition (Andreas Nachtsheim).
There is also some interesting music in the Rostock book (I especially like
the setting of "Nun komm der Heiden Heiland") which was published by the
Zentralantiquariat der DDR etcetc pp.
I didn't know there are new facts about Falckenhagen's second print with the
second dozen of sacred songs? I know there is a manuscript containing music
from the first dozen and mixed within some pieces which are not contained in
this print. As the settings are less elaborated I suspect it could be
sketches for the print which - if I recall right - was originally designed
for more than the dozen pieces which finally made it to the print.
Rust isn't likely to be intended for the lute. As far as I know the 3 Sonatas
(republished by Andi Schlegel in the Lute Corner in switzerland with some
assistance by me) for lute and violin/flute are his only works for lute. Rust
was one of the outstanding violin players of his age and considered one of
the best composers (mentioned along with Mozart) at his time. At the end of
his lifetime he seems to get a weakness for instruments which were dying out
like the lute and the Viola d'Amore.
Have you ever seen the Beyer print? I wouldn't call this sacred music - it's
simple songs with more or less funny/instructive lyrics (A while ago I
published "Der Blinde und der Lahme" on my page - maybe I should but it back
there).
Anyway - as you mention - there is enough sacred material for the baroque
luter to play and some of it quite charming.
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Donnerstag, 24. Februar 2005 09:01 schrieb Markus Lutz:
> Hello Thomas, Alain, Ralf and others,
> it seemed at the time for me to change the subject line ;-), as I nearly
> had missed this interesting theme. Also I'm not sure if that theme
> shouldn't be better settled on the baroque lute list ...
>
> I wouldn't say that there is not much sacred music for baroque lute.
> I don't think I know all of it, but the ones I know are quite a bit.
>
> Thomas, you mentioned Falkenhagen. He had published at least one print,
> possibly even 2 with sacred chants. There are traces of the second one in
> some manuscripts.
> In one of the two Weiss mss that are now in Paris you find sacred songs,
> that most probable are completely by Falkenhagen. Some of them are from the
> published print, but some aren't.
> Before Falkenhagen there should be mentioned the big print of Reusner ("100
> Geistliche Gesänge"). There is one (or even two) big manuscript by Johann
> Michael Sciurus in Krakau with Chorales, which I haven't seen yet. There is
> a Rust ms, that in the first half was filled with chorales. And don't
> forget Beyer's Oden, that also had been mainly sacred songs by Gellert.
>
> So there seems to have been a strong protestantic tradition of singing
> chorales to the lute. In Hungary there even were found some accompaignments
> for reformed psalms!
>
> In the Gruessau mss you find many sacred and even liturgical pieces
> (catholic). Also there is evidence that lute music by Pichler was used to
> compose a mass.
>
> So there is quite a lot of sacred music for baroque lute also.
>
> Best
> Markus
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:42:28 +0100, Thomas Schall wrote:
>
> TS> There is not much sacred music in those manuscripts.
> TS> But there are other manuscripts and even prints (Falckenhagen!) only
> TS> containing sacred music as there still was a living tradition of
> domestic TS> devotion.
> TS>
> TS> Thomas
> TS>
> TS> Am Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 18:04 schrieb Alain Veylit:
> TS> > Ralf,
> TS> > This is very interesting: how many of those pieces preserved in
> TS> > monasteries (roughly speaking) are sacred works, as opposed to dances
> or TS> > preludes? any single volume dedicated to the liturgy?
> TS> > Alain
> TS> >
> TS> > ralf bachmann wrote:
> TS> > >>BTW, has anyone noticed that while 50% of the
> TS> > >>repertoire in the 16th
> TS> > >>century is religious - Ave marias, motets, psalms,
> TS> > >>etc. - the later
> TS> > >>repertoire is entirely profane?
> TS> > >
> TS> > >Yeap, that´s true ... monks seemed to like that new
> TS> > >"entirely profane" music. A very substantial part of
> TS> > >the 17th & 18th century lute music is (was) preserved
> TS> > >in monasteries: Grüssau, Seitenstetten, Kremsmünster,
> TS> > >Raigern, Neuburg, etc.
> TS> > >
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