>It comes up every now and then. Many of us play in >some sort of meantone >temperament. From very extreme 1/4 comma to not so >mean 1/6 or 1/7 comma. >From very exact fretpositions with calculators and >spreadsheets to adjusting >frets just by ear. It makes the music less boring (all those >equal tempered >intervals in chromatic fantasias litterally take the colour >out of the >music) and also makes our lutes sound more resonant.
>David I second that emotion. Recently A famous Jazz guy down in Santa Fe was demonstrating to me how perfectly his guitar played in tune and I fell asleep, but it might have been the jazz that put me under. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "LGS-Europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dr. Marion Ceruti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:23 AM Subject: Re: temperaments (was Continuo) > It comes up every now and then. Many of us play in some sort of meantone > temperament. From very extreme 1/4 comma to not so mean 1/6 or 1/7 comma. > From very exact fretpositions with calculators and spreadsheets to adjusting > frets just by ear. It makes the music less boring (all those equal tempered > intervals in chromatic fantasias litterally take the colour out of the > music) and also makes our lutes sound more resonant. > > David > > > Thank you for raising that question. I would like to know not > > only who has configured a baroque lute with unequal fret spacings > > but any lute, including theorbo. > > > > Best regards, > > Marion > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephan Olbertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Mar 9, 2005 2:04 AM > > To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Subject: Re: Continuo > > > > Am Wed, 09 Mar 2005 08:59:22 +0000 schrieb Martin Shepherd > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> I think some of us here might want to disagree with your last sentence: > >> the basic tuning of the Dm lute is f'-d'-a-f-d-A, so if (as you say) ET > >> was needed for this tuning, it would also be needed for Ren lute, since > >> the 2nd to 4th courses are tuned the same. Using meantone temperaments > >> on Baroque lute is just as good (and just as problematic!) as using them > >> on Renaissance lute. > > > > Dear Martin, > > > > thanks for your comment. I always thought that the problems are: > > 1. to get the minor third between the first and second/fourth and fifth > > courses into the tuning system and > > 2. doubling A-d-f in the high octave means doubling the trouble with > > tastinis and eliminating the possibility of slanting the frets. > > > > As I understand it, it's very difficult to get _either_ wide diatonic _or_ > > small chromatic halftone steps at any fret on the baroque lute if we want > > the most common notes (b flat, e flat, g sharp, c sharp and f sharp). In a > > tuning with 4 fourths and 1 major third (or their equivalents in > > re-entrant tuning) it's much easier, as far as I can see. > > > > It would be interesting to know who infact does set up his baroque lute > > unequally, and how. I recently asked something like this and got just one > > answer in favor of ET. > > > > Please feel free to educate me... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Stephan > > > > > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> Stephan Olbertz wrote: > >> > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> from a temperaments view it would be much likelier that Weiss used a > >>> mandora tuning in E or D, maybe without the first string as Baron (?) > >>> suggested (?). I don't have the passages at hand to see if this reading > >>> is possible. Anyway, theorbos, archlutes and mandoras could be set up in > >>> the usual 18th century temperament (according to Tosi, L.Mozart and > >>> others), based on a 55 division of the octave. This is somewhere between > >>> 1/6 pythagorean and 1/6 syntonic comma meantone and an old hat. Baroque > >>> lute tuning on the other hand has to be ET to function. > >>> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Stephan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
