Dear Michael: Not that I have anything of value to offer you there is a way to get a couple of extra months work out of your trebles. Tie them on the Lute initially with a bit of extra string over the peg. When they start going false, and they will, remove them, tie the old peg end on the bridge and the reverse them around. This will put the deformations in a position where they are not affected by the actions of the left hand leaving a consistently evenly tuned string till it deforms once again.
Vance Wood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: lute outreach -tuning.. > I have silver wound basses, and trebles and octaves are all nylgut with > one carbon first string. My lute usually hangs on the wall where I play > everyday, and would say it stays in tune remarkably well. But, I always need > to fine tune it the next day, or an hour into my practice session. > Also I replace the first 2 single strings, after 2 or 3 months because of > indentations causing indentation problems > The gut experience was horrific, I couldn't make it through one piece > without having to stop and tune, This lasted for two months. Initially, the > lute would go in tune and stay there fine, until I would begin to play, then > moisture from my fingers seemed to cause it to constantly go out. I've > always heard of great success stories with gut but, after talking to Paul > Odette, he said guts impossible to use in concert settings with forced air > heating and air conditioning. He uses nylgut. > I saw Paul Odette take his lute out of the case in the master class and > immediately start tuning it up, and this was after he played a concert the > night before in Santa Fe. > Same with Ronn McFarlane, he was tuning on stage. > Michael Thames > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:12 AM > Subject: Antwort: Re: lute outreach -tuning.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ed, > > > > it wasn't me stating something about people being "pitch-challenged". > > Actually I have had the same experience as you. After being stretched > > completely the nylguts I'm using on most of my lutes remain fairly good in > > tune and I often do not need to tune for several days. by the way: the > > remaining gut strings on my 10-course (which I just changed recently) > > stayed well in tune, too. > > > > I don't like carbon strings because of their brightness - it's just too > > much and found that nylgut is a perfect compromise between the sound of > gut > > and the practical advantages of a syntethic material. And after being used > > this synthetics I feel uncomfortable playing gut (just a bit as if the > > finger would be glued to the string). Kenneth told me he would feel just > > the other way round as he played on my 11-course (he have had gut on his > > renaissance lute which traveled with him to germany last year). > > > > Best wishes > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > Edward Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> am 13.04.2005 00:09:59 > > > > An: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Donatella Galletti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Kopie: > > > > Thema: Re: lute outreach -tuning.. > > > > In this discussion, I have found similar instances when string stability > > has been wonderful. Sometimes, I leave an instrument in the case (all gut > > strung baroque lute), and after no attention for a few months, I open the > > lid & to my astonishment, it is in remarkably good tune. This is the > > exception to the rule, but gut has a bad reputation. The newer strings > are > > > > more stable, in my opinion. Either that, or we are learning how ti use it > > better than before. > > > > In terms of string stability, carbon takes the prize for being the most > > stable string ever produced. It seems as though it is absolutely > > impervious to temperature & humidity. I stopped using carbon about 12 > > years ago, but prior to that, the saying was that a lutenist could apply > > crazy glue to the pegs, because those strings are so stable that they > > almost require no tuning after being totally stretched out. They were > also > > > > durable, as I had a set on for around 9 years, without changing strings > > [even the trebles!], & they retained the same sound & trueness. So, if > you > > > > want practicality (tuning stability, longevity of string life) go with > > carbon. But, as Roman suggested, it is a rather "cold" sounding > > string. It is loud and clear, as the high density increases its > > efficiency. > > > > Thomas has stated we are pitch challenged of lying about this, that it is > > impossible for an instrument to stay in tune after travel. I believe > Roman > > > > and Kenneth, as we have all had similarly good tuning experiences. > > > > ed > > > > > > > > At 01:00 PM 4/12/2005 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Donatella et Roman, > > > > > > > > > I the use same mixture of Nylgut and Pyramid > > >strings on my ten course and find that it stays in > > >tune remarkably well, although I'm not that crazy > > >about the sound of the pyramid basses on this > > >instrument. > > > > > >Roman - have you found this tuning stability to be > > >typical with carbon? I'm thinking of stringing my > > >theorbo at least partially with it. > > > > > > > > >Chris > > > > > > > > >--- Donatella Galletti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My Hasenfuss- Weigert baroque is also "factory > > > > tuned", as a gambist joking > > > > told me. I hardly ever need to tune , especially if > > > > I don't change keys or > > > > if the weather is not too wet. I use a mixture of > > > > Aquila and Pyramid > > > > strings. > > > > > > > > (Ok, "hardly ever" means every two, three days, but > > > > I've just had a > > > > wonderful wine with a dessert which is a specialty > > > > from Piedmont and I feel > > > > quite optimistic...) > > > > > > > > Donatella > > > > > > > > > > > > http://web.tiscali.it/awebd > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "LUTE-LIST" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Roman > > > > Turovsky" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:52 PM > > > > Subject: Re: lute outreach > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1. Carbon strings held tuning throughout the > > > > 10-hour >overnight ride to > > > > > >Cleveland. 11th course octave was a little flat > > > > in the >morning. I didn't > > > > > >touch a peg for the rest of the weekend > > > > > > > > > > So let me get this straight, your saying over a > > > > three day period from > > > > NY. > > > > > In different rooms, hotel, houses, concert hall > > > > etc. you didn't touch a > > > > peg > > > > > other than your 11th course. You are either > > > > "pitch challenged", or prone > > > > to > > > > > spinning tall tales, most likely both! > > > > > Michael Thames > > > > > www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "LUTE-LIST" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:28 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: lute outreach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. > > > > > > 2 interesting details: > > > > > > 1. Carbon strings held tuning throughout the > > > > 10-hour overnight ride to > > > > > > Cleveland. 11th course octave was a little flat > > > > in the morning. I didn't > > > > > > touch a peg for the rest of the weekend. > > > > > > 2. Our program is on a controversial side, and > > > > it might (and should) > > > > have > > > > > > caused considerable consternation on the part of > > > > clergy of 4 > > > > denominations > > > > > > present (including an archbishop). But > > > > Mar'jana's act consisted largely > > > > > from > > > > > > the songs she collected at the Carpathian > > > > fertility rites, which are > > > > > > basically Pagan, and outright scabrous. Imagine > > > > what was going on in > > > > > > celibate heads. > > > > > > RT > > > > > > ______________ > > > > > > Roman M. Turovsky > > > > > > http://polyhymnion.org/swv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY : This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and > > may be privileged. 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