Interesting (and efficient) that the template for the neck is incorporated into the pattern for the soundboard.
Leonard Williams On 5/28/05 6:51 AM, "Tony Chalkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anyone is interested I've just uploade the best scans I can do of rather > badly printed not very special photos of the two paper templates to:- > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad389.JPG > > and > > http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/Strad390.JPG > > > > For info - > > > > 389 - length 488 mm, width at widest point 288 mm., fingerboard 311x114x90 > (mm) > > Writing = "Musure per il manico del liuto al francesa vera de dudece ordine > doppio" > > > > 390 - length 487 by 280, neckblock 52 by 105, soundhole diameter 63. > > Writing = "Forma per far il liuto alla Francese e il corpo dai alto due onze > e mezza per la formatura delle corde dai de dudice ordine doppio e da li > setti basse con li ottave e ancora se fano de dudice ordine de Corde" > > > > and "Scandello quando dai de 12 ordini le corde" > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Fletcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:05 PM > Subject: RE: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect > > >> Hi Michael, >> >> Going back to your initial posting about lute symmetry. In the >> Stradivari workshop on your recent trip to Italy, you saw a paper >> template for a lute body, folded along the centre-line. >> >> I conjectured that such a template would indicate that the Strad's >> lute-bodies were not made over a mold. The template would be used to >> show whether the inner-profile of the lute body is symmetrical. That >> every rib has the same curve and distance from the centre-line. >> >> Did Stradivari use a mold? >> Were all his lutes symmetrical (equal depth and width from centre-line)? >> >> Surely these points still need to be clarified? The thread seems to >> have gone off on a tangent into symmetry found in nature and quantum >> physics...completely off-topic! >> >> But then again, no-one's perfect! >> >> Best Wishes >> >> Ron (UK) >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Thames [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 27 May 2005 15:23 >> To: Jon Murphy; guy_and_liz Smith; LUTELIST; Manolo Laguillo >> Subject: Re: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect >> >> A friend of mine who works at Sandia Labs tried to explain Quantum >> Physics >> to me over a couple bottles of wine one evening, unfortunately if I >> can't >> apply it in my daily life, it goes in one ear, and out the other. >> Concerning perfection, I guess it's a state of mind, as Dr. Emoto >> has >> documented, ones thoughts can have an influence on ones environment. >> Although, the Ancients have know this for eons. >> One can perceive a lute as symmetrical, however, after a couple >> bottles >> of wine, or beer in Jon's case, it begins to take on a non symmetrical >> shape, along with everything else. The exception to this rule, is found >> in >> historical lutes, which appear non symmetrical, prior to the >> consumption of >> your favorite intoxicant, then afterwards actually appears perfectly >> symmetrical. >> >> Concerning the lute I was speaking more about the physical shape of >> the >> belly, and not the actual sound it makes. >> You can apply the concept of imperfection ( Wabe Sabe) to many >> things, >> but not the conception of musical instruments. The concept is always >> perfect, but man's execution of it is imperfect. >> Sometimes I think lutes, guitars are like people. The really good >> looking ones (people) are rather shallow sounding, and the not so >> perfect >> ones, are more interesting to listen to. >> This is my second, naturally occurring law as applied to musical >> instruments. The first being the rule of relative perception. >> Michael Thames >> www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "guy_and_liz Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "LUTELIST" >> <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Manolo Laguillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; >> "Michael Thames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:13 PM >> Subject: Re: symm/asymm & perfect/imperfect >> >> >>> Michael, >>> >>> I thought I'd covered my views on this topic, but I have to add my >> comment. >>> >>>> Is it wrong for humans to try to achieve perfect symmetry? It >> seems >>> nature is trying. >>> >>> Nature is trying, very trying (I hope you know that English trope). >> Can we >>> know perfection? No. Can we aspire to it? Yes. Perfection is a goal, >> even >> in >>> nature. Einstein rejected Bohr's thoughts on Quanta, saying God >> doesn't >> play >>> dice. (the quote may be aprochryphal). Bringing it back to the lute, >> your >>> ear is the best tuning device. Even the paired courses have a diffence >> in >>> tonality. Nothing is perfect, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't >> aspire to >>> perfection. >>> >>> Best, Jon >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
