Yes,that's from Apel's book on notation, where the facsimile appears also. I shudder to think how many grad students transcribed that piece.
Thousands. Of course, it was Adolf Koczirz who first drew attention to the supposed bi-tonality. And he didn't get the tuning of the lower courses correct. So if it was a "great faux pas" Apel was in good company. And Koczirz must surely rank among the leading lute scholars of the pre-WW_II generation. That was just one of the books that made Apel a millionaire, one who retired to a castle on the Danube.<g> So in the end he really gave all his critics a raspberry. Some of the pieces in Petrucci's books (Spinacino???) are also for five course lute, and I think there are others in Newsidler. By the way, those Newsidler books are didactically ordered, and I suspect they were used to train his son Melchior (b. ca. 1531) who would have been at an age to begins his studies in music in 1536, 1540 and 1544. I've always felt those pieces were selected to enchant a yound boy. The organist in the parish where the Newsidlers lived was Sebald Hayden, a noted pedagogue. I also suspect that that is where Melchior learned the masterful counterpoint that characterizes his ricercars and fantasias. Newsidler's 1536 book would be agood place to practice reading German tablature. All three books are available in facsimile. (See http://www.omifacsimiles.com Notice the second lineof theJudentanz facsimile. You can see that some ciphers have a line indicating the high fret,and others do not. Arthur. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denys Stephens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:01 AM Subject: Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc. > Dear All, > I am sure Arthur will remember this, but it may be of interest to > others that that this inaccuracy in the tuning instructions for the > "Judentanz" > led to one of the great faux pas of lute musicology. Many years ago the > eminent musicologist Willi Apel took the instructions at face value and > wrote: > > "Der Judentanz (the dance of the Jews" .... represents one of the earliest > examples, if not the earliest, of satire in music ...... the satirical > character is > expressed by cacophonous dissonances ...... it is written in a strikingly > modern > idiom of bi-tonality such as rarely occurs before the advent of the > twentieth century." > > The late Michael Morrow wrote an article entitled "Ayre on the F sharp > string" which was > published in the Lute Society Journal of 1960 which corrected the > misunderstanding. > The quote above is from that article. > > I seem to remember that in the 1970's Konrad Ragossnig actually recorded > the incorrect > version, complete with said cacophonous dissonances, on his album of > German > lute music. The guitarist John Renbourn, who knew this story, used to play > the > piece on the guitar as part of his set and with typical humour played both > versions. > > Best wishes, > > Denys > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc. > > > The "quint" should be tuned to "+" ("et") which looks like the "t' that > is > given by mistake in the instructions for the top course. That is, one > tunes > the top course to the FIFTH fret on the II course("+"), not > the fourth fret on the II course (="t").. So, (G)_d_d_a_d'_g'. > > Notice that the first cipher and others have lines above them. So the > first > note is I:h. (="k" withline in German tablature) > > here are Newsidler's names for the courses: > > I: Quint Saitte > II: Klein Saitte > III: Mitl Saitte > IV: Klein Brummer > V: Mitl Brummer > VI: Gross Brummer > > ajn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 2:54 PM > Subject: Re: Judentanz Neusidler etc. > > >> Hier volget der Juden Tantz, und wer ihn schlagen will, der muss die >> Lautten >> anders ziehen. Nun volget der Zug/ zieh Erstlich den Mitlern Brumer und >> die >> klein Saitten/ die Newen dem mitl Brumer stet/ der zieffer furn/gleich >> als >> da 4. >> und den klein Brumer. Muss gleich lautten/wie der mitl Brumer wie vor ge- >> melt der mitl Brumer und die Saitten dar Neben/ und der klein Brumer >> müssen >> all drey eine gleiche Stimme haben/ und der zieffer viere als da 4 >> gleich lautten/ und >> die Obrer quint Saitten muss man dem t gleich ziehen/ so ist der zug >> recht. >> Man mag auch vil ander tentz auch auff dem zug schlagen. >> >> Der Juden Tantz >> er muss gar ser be- >> hendt / geschlagen >> werden / sonst laut >> er nicht wohl. >> >> I get the end: " You can play many other dances with this tuning". >> >> Otherwise, the german mostly eludes me... >> >> "Here follows the Jew's dance. And whoever wants to play it, has to >> tune the lute differently. >> Here follows the tuning: >> First, tune the 5th course and the small strings... >> >> after that I get lost. >> >> B.R. >> G. >> >> On 6/4/05, Thomas Schall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> If you can read german tablature >>> try http://aris.ss.uci.edu/rgarfias/jtanz/jtanz.html >>> There is a facsimile of the piece >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Thomas >>> >>> Am Samstag, 4. Juni 2005 11:10 schrieben Sie: >>> > Dear all, >>> > I have a rather urgent request as I was invited to play a short >>> > concert >>> > at a symposion in Austria: "Jews and Christians in the Medieval and >>> > renaissance". I was especially asked to play the Judentanz by >>> > Neusidler. >>> > I have also learned that there are some other "Jew's dances" by >>> > Heckel, >>> > Judenkunig and others. Has anybody of you a copy of these pieces and >>> > can >>> > send me a pdf or jpeg or similar file? The problem is that I have no >>> > time to wait for a bookorder by snailmail as I still have to prepare >>> > and >>> > practice the music. Normally I buy all the books I am playing out of >>> > and >>> > the rest of the program is taken from them but this time there is too >>> > little time to order them from abroad. If there is an interesting >>> > piece >>> > maybe in the National Bibliothek Vienna let me know, I can try to go >>> > for >>> > it. If you have any recent information about the tuning of the >>> > Neusidler >>> > Judentanz I would appreciate your help. >>> > Best regards >>> > Hermann Platzer >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > To get on or off this list see list information at >>> > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Schall >>> Niederhofheimer Weg 3 >>> D-65843 Sulzbach >>> 06196/74519 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> "Three switched witches watch three swatch watch switches. >>> Which switched witch watches which swatch watch switch?" >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >
