Dear Arthur;
"Someone like Gary Digman"?? That stung. I wasn't aware that I had
commented on anything you said, and you should know that I have great
respect for your opinions in this area. I thought I was commenting on the
tenor of the discussion and trying to understand why it was so heated. It
does seem to me that Mr. Thames does overreact a little and I don't quite
understand his humor ( I assume it's meant to be humor).
Anyway, I'm going to get off the computer for a while. I think we're
all a little on edge. In the words of Orson Welles made after the hysteria
associated with his production of "War of the Worlds" about radios, and
which also apply to computers, "That glowing box in your living room is an
inhabitant of the pumpkin patch." Back to the lute and your wonderful
edition of Francesco da Milano.
All the Best,
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "gary digman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Byrd
> Thanks for you comments, Roman. It really angers me
> when someone like Gary Digman comments NOT on what I
> wrote, but on what Thames says I wrote. Almost
> everything MT says is a distortion, as Dana and Howard
> have already noted. I have placed him on my "kill list,"
> in order to spare having to read the vicious insults and
> name calling that he has directed at me. I don't need
> that.
>
> ajn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roman Turovsky
> To: gary digman ; lutelist
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Byrd
>
>
> > Dear Stewart;
> > Indeed, the issues you raise are fascinating and
> > speak to situations
> > and decisions I've had to make in my own attempts at
> > intabulating. I've
> > intabulated most of the secular music of Josquin
> > trying to be as literal
> as
> > I can. I use these intabulations as bases for
> > spontaneous lute
> arrangements
> > adding ornaments and divisions improvizationally as an
> > exercise. I just
> > couldn't figure out what in the discussion had sparked
> > the heated
> emotional
> > exchange between Mr. Thames and Mr. Ness. I'm still
> > perplexed as to why
> they
> > are at each other's throats over this issue.
> They are not. MT simply has an entirely erroneous notion
> that he is capable
> of making fun of stupid people like himself by
> demonstrating disrespect for
> (or being simply insulting toward) the intelligent
> ones.......
> RT
>
>
>
>
> It seems to me tablature is
> > superior for some purposes to mensural notation and
> > vice versa. Being
> > conversant in both can only be an asset to a lutenist.
> > As regards the use
> of
> > treble clef to notate music for guitar, has anyone
> > noticed that clarinet
> > music is notated in treble clef down to three ledger
> > lines below the staff
> > as is guitar music. Reading through the Rose studies
> > for clarinet was a
> > tool I used as a guitarist to learn to read mensural
> > notation. I just
> can't
> > figure out why this issue has inspired this escalating
> > exchange of insults
> > and flying fur. Oh well, carry on.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gary
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Lute Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:57 AM
> > Subject: Byrd
> >
> >
> > > Dear Gary,
> > >
> > > The thread was originally about Byrd. I would very
> > > much like to know
> > > more about Byrd, and about the tablature sources of
> > > his music. For
> > > example, I have the impression that the lute solo
> > > settings make some
> > > concessions to the lute, i.e. the music is arranged
> > > to be idiomatic
> > > for the instrument, whereas the Paston settings are
> > > virtually
> > > literal intabulations minus the cantus.
> > >
> > > Paston's intabulations are often so exact that they
> > > are
> > > unnecessarily awkward to play. He even shows
> > > unisons, so, for
> > > example, where two viols play f, he intabulates it
> > > as:
> > > ___
> > > ___
> > > ___
> > > _a_
> > > _f_
> > > ___
> > >
> > > Transferring music from four viols to one lute tends
> > > to iron out the
> > > polyphonic nature of Byrd's music. Instead of
> > > hearing four
> > > interweaving melodic strands as on viols, one tends
> > > to hear a
> > > succession of chords on the lute, with more a
> > > suggestion of
> > > polyphony than a clear realisation of it.
> > >
> > > Some years ago I intabulated eight consort songs by
> > > Byrd for
> > > Fretwork Editions. If Paston intabulations existed,
> > > for various
> > > reasons I chose not to use them, and instead made my
> > > own
> > > arrangements. Literal intabulations can be
> > > self-defeating. For
> > > example, if you have one viol playing this:
> > >
> > > __________
> > > _a__c__d__
> > > __________
> > > __________
> > > __________
> > > __________
> > >
> > > and another viol playing this:
> > >
> > > __________
> > > _d__c__a__
> > > __________
> > > __________
> > > __________
> > > __________
> > >
> > > you'll have a literal intabulation looking like
> > > this:
> > >
> > > __________
> > > _d__c__d__
> > > _f_____f__
> > > __________
> > > __________
> > > __________
> > >
> > > The two melodies fuse to become a succession of
> > > chords. I believe
> > > that it is often better to simplify such passages,
> > > and omit the
> > > notes of one viol for the sake of having at least
> > > one melodic line
> > > from the other viol clearly heard.
> > >
> > > Arthur (13th July) and Rainer (10th July) have
> > > provided us with
> > > sources and lists of music by Byrd arranged for the
> > > lute. Can anyone
> > > add to those lists? Do we have a list of all the
> > > lute pieces
> > > arranged by Byrd for keyboard?
> > >
> > > Notation may have its fascination, but I really
> > > would like to return
> > > to Byrd.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Stewart McCoy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "lutelist" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Byrd
> > >
> > >
> > > > Would someone please tell me what the hell is
> > > > going on here?
> > > Something must
> > > > have gone down between Mr, Thames and Mr.Ness that
> > > > I missed. The
> > > > Matanya/Roman battle was more entertaining because
> > > > I understood
> > > what it was
> > > > about.
> > > >
> > > > The Best to All,
> > > > Gary Digman
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Michael Thames"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Lute net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:43 PM
> > > > Subject: Byrd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I've never met Arthur Ness, as I'm not really
> > > > > a member of the
> > > "good old
> > > > boys club". I'm relatively new to the lute, 4
> > > > years or so. I did
> > > play it a
> > > > bit in the mid 70's.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
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