Dear Arthur,

Thank you very much for this very interesting information about
Madame Sydney Pratten and Ernest Shand.

About 30 years ago, I was given some guitar music which seemed to
have belonged to someone who may have had guitar lessons in London
from Madame Sidney Pratten, or (more likely) from Madame Giulia
Pelzer. It included two books of printed music by Ernest Shand (one
dated 1910), and various publications by Madame Sidney Pratten (also
referred to as Catharina Josepha Pratten), and by Madame Giulia
Pelzer.

Looking at it now, I am amazed how expensive the music was. For
example, _Bolero_, by "Madame R. Sydney Pratten, Teacher of the
Guitar to Her Royal Highness the Princess Louise", is a song
covering just two pages, and it cost three shillings. There is a
note
on the cover which reads, "Owing to the limited sale of Guitar Music
Mme. Pratten is obliged to charge FULL PRICE for her own
publications." On the back cover is a price list of Madame Sydney
Pratten's Solos for the Guitar. Most of the pieces cost half a
crown. At the top of the page someone has written, "All in this list
since the war 6d. extra".

Another item costing half a crown [= 2/6 or two shillings and
sixpence] is "A Drawing of Mme. Sidney Pratten's _right hand_,
showing the positions for striking the strings, with explanations.
drawn by Fred: Coleman." There's not even a mention of her left
hand.

In this small collection there is some handwritten music for guitar
by someone called Sanders Papworth. Have you any idea where he fits
in?

Best wishes,

Stewart McCoy.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lute Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Graham Pratten"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:32 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Madame Robert Sidney Pratten, Victoirian guitar
virtuosa


> Dear Mr. Pratten,
>
> Thank you very much for the additional information. about
musicians in the
> Pratten family. Part of the problem is that persons with these
dual names
> can be confused.  The composer Peter Maxwell Davies is sometimes
listed
> under M (once I noticed with out a cross reference under D) and
sometimes
> under D.  Likewise Madame Robert Sidney Pratten (with and without
the
> hyphen) is sometimes listed under S (with the hyphen) and
sometimes P (for
> both Pratten and Pelzer, her maiden name). There was a third form
of her
> name that she used as a widow.  Readers of this list will be
amused with
> your full name,  Graham Dove Pratten.  Dove is your mother's
maiden name.,
> just like Sidney was Robert Prattan's. I am also sometimes called
Johnny
> Dove, after a famous lutenist Johann Daube.
>
> She appears under Sidney-Pratten and Pelzer (but not Pratten)  in
Josef
> Zuth's important _Handbuch der Laute und Gitarre_ (Vienna 1926-28;
Rpt
> Hildesheim & New York, 1978), a reference tool widely used by
researchers
> and music catalogers.  And your observation that she and her
husband used
> Sidney as part of their professional names would suggest
additional; reasons
> for checking under S and P.  Indeed sometimes she refers to
herself as "R.
> Sidney Pratten." I can imagine you encounter the same problems in
doing
> genealogical research. The problems increase many fold when
dealing with the
> eccentricities of earlier indexes.
>
> Your information already points in directions one might inquire to
locate
> Madame SP's collection, if it is still intact. (I am not planning
to make
> such a search.)
>
> I was involved when it first came up on one of the Internet
newsgroups.   A
> Londoner had just purchased an old guitar at auction.  It had
belonged to
> Madame Sidney Pratten, and in the case was a laundry list with her
name on
> it. The purchaser seemed to know virtually nothing about her. She
was a
> composer with over 125 published works, plus songs without opus,
and had
> taught Shand and other famous guitarists, as well as members of
the British
> royal family.
>
> So she was quite famous in her day, as was her husband, who was
considered
> one of the finest flutists of his time.  He also made important
improvements
> to the fingering system of the flute.  Several pages are devoted
to him in
> Rockstro's history of the flute, some of the information being
from his
> widow.  Among various positions he held, was principal flute of
the London
> Philharmonic Society.  He was a regujlar soloist at the Promenade
Concerts
> as well.
>
> I gave some information like that to the person inquiring about
his recent
> purchase, but warned that should he do archival research seeking
more
> infornation, he should be sure to check directories and
inventories under P
> for Pratten and S for Sidney-Pratten, because Sidney Pratten was
sometimes
> treated as part of the last name.  I should have suggested he
check under
> Pelzer, too.

> The Madame S P had an important collection which included guitars
reputed to
> have belonged to Giulio Regondi, Leonardo Schulz and Fernando Sor.
She also
> published her Memoires (copies in British Library).  I do not know
if the
> guitars have surfaced, but she also owned an original, unpublished
hand
> written treatise by Sor that is still missing. Her "Bambino"
guitar is now
> owned by the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. A search of London
archives might
> provide a trace, and perhaps her collection is in a descendant's
attic.  It
> surely would have valuable things in it.  Since she died without
issue, I
> think her estate went to her sister, another guitarist named
Giulia Pelzer
> (see your list for her married name; she used Pelzer
professionally; she was
> alive in 1928.)
>
> Thank you again for the additional information.
>
> Arthur J.Ness, Ph.D.




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