Dear Donatella, I forward your message to Frank Legl with this mail. Probably I also will phone him this evening and tell him about it.
Best Markus [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > Dear Thomas and dear all, > > > I strangely did not translate the page in English, when I wrote it, as > there > was a discussion on the Italian lute list when the painting was > discovered > ( not by me, I think someone working in a museum in Florence found it > and > asked Giorgio Ferraris to make a study on it - see on > www.baschenis.interfree.it - I can't find the page which follows, > which > should be /portrait.htm - maybe Giorgio will tell us the exact > address. The > date of my web-page is June, 17, 2001, as you can see) > > I write in English what I say in Italian: > > > This is a lutenist portrayed by Domenico Gabbiani. It was probably > painted > in the period 1640-1700 .The music is very similar to "Canarios" by > Vieux > Gaultier. > <see below this> > > Il liutista del ritratto suona il Canarios di Gaultier, sarebbe > interessante > sapere chi fosse. Il problema consiste nel fatto che se il dipinto è > di > Gabbiani, Gaultier era per così dire "morto e sepolto" all'epoca del > ritratto, ma le sue musiche, come ha suggerito Tim Crawford, venivano > comunque suonate. Le musiche sono per un liuto barocco, diverso > dall'arciliuto suonato in Italia all'epoca,quindi o il liutista è > francese > di passaggio ed è stato ritratto, oppure è un italiano che usa uno > strumento > che, a quanto si sa, non era comune. > > > > The lutenist in the portrait plays Canarios by Gaultier, it would be > interesting to know who he was. The problem is that if the painting is > by > Gabbiani, Gaultier was "dead in a grave" at the time of the portrait, > but > his music, as Tim Crawford suggested, was still played. The music is > for > baroque lute, different from the archlute, which was played in Italy > at the > time, so either the lutenist is French , passing through Italy for > some > reasons, so that he had a portrait done, or he's Italian and he uses > an > instrument which was not common. > > > > - > > I seem to remember someone telling me ( Arthur ? ) that some music > for > baroque lute was found in Lucca at the time, so that it was played on > a > baroque ( not archlute) even in Italy ( I remember this because it > struck me > as weird, after my "invention" of the life of Alessia, who played > the > baroque in Italy. ) I also think the young man in the portrait is > dressed in > a way people in the church ( I don't know how to translate ) used to. > > Can anybody provide more news? Mathias, maybe you know something more > about > church clothes in 1600? > > Can someone please forward this to Anthony Bailes and Frank Legel? I > don't > have their mail > > Donatella > > > > > > http://web.tiscali.it/awebd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:39 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: "Lute Festival" / painting > > > >> Dear Donatella, >> >> Yes - it's the painting on your page. >> Frank Legel mentioned that you discovered the painting and >> > identified the > >> piece earlier (so Tony Bailes and Frank Legel could have spared >> > some > >> work - if they knew about it). >> I don't want to say something wrong (Frank is scientist and *very* >> > keen on > >> being cited correctly). I understood they would ask questions not >> presenting results. >> There would be a saying "if you knew the piece you would know who >> > is > >> depicted". The piece is by le vieux Gaultier but the picture is >> > painted as > >> he must have been dead so it seems not so easy to identify who is >> depicted. It surely would not be le vieux Gaultier. The lute and >> > the > >> depicted player also would raise questions because of the dress of >> > the > >> player and the type of lute which is said to be seldom in italy at >> > that > >> time (because all would have been bought by french players). >> >> For detailed information it would be best to contact Anthony Bailes >> > and/or > >> Frank Legel. >> >> Best wishes >> Thomas >> >> >>> Dear Thomas, >>> >>> thanks for your message. Is the painting you speak about the one on >>> my >>> website, which was studied by Giorgio Ferraris and some other >>> lutenists, on >>> show in Florence? ( See also his website). I was the one who >>> discovered the >>> music is by Gaultier. What is strange, is that the painting is said >>> > to > >>> have >>> been painted by Gabbiani, but this raises some questions about the >>> music ( >>> French, ancient, in Italy?), the instrument, the player. Can you >>> > tell > >>> us >>> something more? >>> >>> Donatella >>> >>> >>> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > > > > > > Tiscali ADSL 4 Mega Flat > > Naviga senza limiti a 19,95 Euro al mese con 4 Megabps di velocita'. Attiva > subito: hai 2 MESI di canone adsl GRATIS! > > In piu', se sei raggiunto dalla rete Tiscali, telefoni senza pagare il canone > Telecom. > > Scopri subito come risparmiare! > > http://abbonati.tiscali.it/prodotti/adsl/tc/4flat/ > > > > >
