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Absender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Empfänger: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Matelart Fantasia Terza Dear Stewart, SPES's razor: always choosing the cleaner copy at hand to produce a facsimile! (Entia annotanda in manuscripto non sint edenda in lucem praeter necessitatem) I think you are perfectly right concerning the small crosses used as hold signs. They are an original part of the print. In the facsimile of the Paris copy there is only a small number of handwritten corrections (of wrong tablature ciphers) and additions (of missing note values, the title "fantasia 7.a" on p. 20 of the facsimile, a line connecting a slightly misplace flag to ist ciphers). Did someone mark pieces to be copied or to be practiced with theses crosses? I have seen small hands pointing to the beginning of pieces, "N.B." markings and crosses at the head or at the foot of pages in several prints and Mss. but have never collected notes about these ... I am looking forward to seeing a sample, all best wishes, Joachim "Stewart McCoy" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Dear Joachim, > > Thanks for your reply. I hadn't realised that SPES had re-issued the > facsimile, using the Paris copy instead of the one at Bologna. > Presumably they thought that the Paris copy was cleaner and easier > to read without all the manuscript additions. > > There are many tiny crosses throughout the book, which look as if > they were printed, and are probably the same in your facsimile. > These are the familiar crosses used as hold signs, and&nb sp;they don't > present a problem. > > The signs I want to know more about are very much bigger, anything > from 4 mm to 6 mm tall, and always appear above the stave. I cannot > see any consistent reason for putting them where they are, or why > these large crosses sometimes have two or three horizontal lines. I > wondered at first if they indicated a mistake, like the # signs in > the Cambridge lute manuscripts, which Rainer aus dem Spring showed > were for mistakes, yet there doesn't seem to be anything wrong&n bsp;with > the music at these points. I also wondered if they could be for > left-hand fingering, to show a barré, to mark the new entry of a > voice, or to correct a barline, but with all these ideas, there is > nothing consistent. Stephen Fryer has suggested that they might be > ornament signs, and Peter Danner thinks they might be rhythm signs > corrected, but neither of these suggestions are convincing. > > The reproduction of the facsimile is not awfully > good. Many of these large crosses are clearly visible, but oth ers > are less easy to make out. There may even be some which have > vanished completely from the facsimile. > > Unfortunately my scanner doesn't work any more. I'll ask a friend to > help, or send you a photocopy of a page or two via snail mail. > > Best wishes, > > Stewart. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Stewart McCoy" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "lute-list (Renaissance)" <mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:00 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matelart Fantasia Terza > > > > Dear Stewart, > > at first I was puzzled by your mail until I realized that my copy > of the > > SPES-facsimile of the Matelart book is from the second printing > (1984) > > of Archivum Musicum 10 which was made from the Paris copy of the > > original print - and this is free from manuscript barlines and > diverse > > forms of crosses. From what you&n bsp;write one might receive the > impression > > that a former owner of the Bologna copy added grace signs but not > having > > seen it this remains speculation. Could you scan a page or part of > a > > page containing some samples? > > I would not change bars 20 to 23 ... > > Best wishes, > > Joachim > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- Dr. Joachim Lüdtke Frühlingsstraße 9a D - 93164 Laaber Tel. +49-+9498 / 905 188 ------ -- Dr. Joachim Lüdtke Frühlingsstraße 9a D - 93164 Laaber Tel. +49-+9498 / 905 188 --
