-----Original Message-----
From: "Mathias Rösel" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 December 2007 11:57
To: 'lute list'
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
"Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Mathias, I don't think we can definitely conclude from his
statement
no, of course, not def.
that
Weiss himself used nails. He might have implied it was common
practice,
but
he doesn't say for sure that he used nails.
As for the theorbo that is probable, though, IMHO. He says it's
ordinairement played that way, but doesn't remark "but I refrain
from
that horrible abuse" or the like.
Certainly he was employed as a
continuo player,
And he was known so as a marvelous accompagnist
but clearly was also regarded as a special case,
Regarding the theorbo, I'm not aware of another specialty besides
his
being fabulous. No mentioning of no-nails.
one whose
solo playing was highly valued as well. If he describes nail
playing as
'rude',
He doesn't. The quote bears on the sound of the theorbo as resulting
from ordinarily using nails. He says if you come close the sound is
coarse and rude because it's ordinairement played with nails.
That is
easily imaginable, I should add. Theorbo players in an orchestra who
aren't heard will soon loose their posts.
I doubt if he would have enjoyed playing the lute so much.
You can use nails even on a baroque lute. To name just one player
who
keeps long nails because his main business is continuo playing in
ensembles and orchestras but who nevertheless made very good solo
recordings (Kellner, Saint Luc, Golden Age etc) is Stephen Stubbs.
--
Mathias
-----Original Message-----
From: "Mathias Rösel" [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 December 2007 11:09
To: Martyn Hodgson
Cc: LGS-Europe; lute list
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Swanneck + loaded strings
"Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
Weiss does mention that playing with nails is acceptable on the
theorbo
but not on the lute (I don't have the exact quote to hand)
In his letter to Mattheson he said that the theorbo yielded a
somewhat
rude sound as it was ordinairement (usually, ordinarily) played
with
nails. From which we may conclude that Weiss had nails long
enough to
play the theorbo since that was one of his duties at court.
Which makes
me wonder as for his playing the lute...
Mathias
LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Perhaps OT on the lute-list either way, but I mentioned Sor and
Giuliani,
not baroque guitar music. Neither did I write one cannot play
one
kind
of
music with or without nails, just that you may notice the
differences.
Well it's simply because of your pre-conditioned approach to
their
music.
You know (or you believe you know) that Sor wasn't using nails
(i.e.
because
he or somebody else wrote about this or whatever).
Did Piccinini, Castaldi, Robert de Visee, Weiss etc etc use
nails or
no
nails? Can you spot that through their music? I very much
doubt you
can.
I'm sure I cannot. I mentioned Sor and Giuliani, not theorbo
music.
David
