Mustafa, I don't understand the specifics of what you're suggesting, but I have no problem with the theory. Personally, I could care less what an instrument is made of if it plays and sounds good. As for non-organic materials, if you're a lute player using synthetic strings, you're going all 20th century at the most important part. (...no...no... - must... resist... urge... to say that modern gut strings are 20th century, too... There, urge repressed.) I imagine my main instruments will always be made in the traditional manner, but, assuming this sort of approach would yield practical results, I would love to have a closet full of various instruments if it would only cost me a few hundred bucks. I don't have much interest in concentrating on the archlute repertoire, but if it didn't set me back much, I'm sure I'd have one. Ditto baroque guitar for those one-off projects. Bring on the orpharion, six-course lute, 7-course lute, 10, 11, and 12-course lutes, English theorbo, swan neck, juach and bass riders, big, medium, toy theorbos as well as big, medium and toy tiorbinos (two sets of all of the above, of course for tuning in A, G or A=136). I'm sure I've forgotten plenty of things, but I would buy them when I thought of them. I'd never actually get anything done, but it would be fun. In all seriousness, I will admit to being extremely skeptical, however. Among others, Ovation and Rainsong guitars have been made out of molded materials for years now, but there has been radical no increase in quality or drop in price. How would what you're proposing differ? Sounds intriguing, but its a hard sell with this ueber-conservative crowd. Chris --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Mustafa Umut Sarac <mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mustafa Umut Sarac <mustafaumutsa...@gmail.com> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Luthier , Engineered Best , Fastest , Cheapest[Scanned] To: "dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us" <dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:14 PM Hello All , Hello Demery , I am happy to read that you understood the benefits of this system. This is a new business model not a scam and I dont want anybodys money now but help. If we create a model database and decrease these instruments price and accessibility , it will be a lute revolution like cheap sumatra classical guitars did. There is lot of money in this business. List members can make good money after learning the use of softwares , follow the technology , update their models to new plastics. I am ready to share cad drawings with anybody who can check the failures and suggest refinements I know its hard to understand plastics , composites , load stresses , vibration simulation , shape change , finite element analysis , ink jet printing and creating a body called rapid prototyping and my application rapid manufacturing , modeling softwares , cad files etc. This is new for all who lived with wood . But not a Einstein stuff. As I mentioned before these are extremelly expensive softwares but very easy to program and get result. My difference from all European or American luthier is to have these softwares , they sell them 50 000 dollars worth of program for 20 dollars here ! Why wouldnt I use them ? My aim is to create few reference instrument designs with all graphical analysis , sound simulation and create a database of these crafts with calibrated to different harmonics. I am an achaeologist and I love archiving good stuff Than the next step comes after creating database for references. This is free form lutes. This is related genetic algorithms and called evolutionary design but lets stop here. Now I need to have good design plans for lutes. I want to make paduan theorbos . I will draw them to a computer again and create 3 D File. Than distribure it to group and listen suggestions. Than the science comes in. If you go to [1]www.mit.edu and search for guitar , you will find white plastic acoustic guitars. They are big , strong and good sounding. You can learn the name of the printer , if i m not wrong red company. They have printers all over the world. They create whatever you want from many materials selection and YOU CAN UPLOAD YOUR 3D FILE TO THEIR ONLINE COMPUTER SYSTEM AND LEARN THE COST.OF MANUFACTURING. You will not pay hundreds to air shipment , prey for a unbroken lute. CARBON INSTRUMENT MADE FROM EPOXY AND CARBON FIBER COMPOSITE AND EVEN TODAY YOU CAN ORDER EPOXY PARTS FOR EXAMPLE SOUND BOARDS FROM RP COMPANIES. Technology is developing , in few years you will recieve carbon intruments from this printer Now I need plans free preferably scanned ones you have or it will take hell of time and money to collect them. I will create 3D file and distribute to the group. This is more sensual than money :) Best , Mustafa Umut Sarac Buyuksehir B 17 A Blok Daire 21 Beylikduzu Istanbul Turkey On 5/15/09, [2][1]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us <[3][2]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009, Narada <[4][3]blues.for.nar...@ntlworld.com> said: >> I don't think this guy is for real. This is a scam. i dont see that. The concept is modern and very plausible, the financial end of it is risque until tested; how much was he asking? >> My business, which is in 3D visualisation, animation and 3D modelling >> offers this service thru' a third party company. He's right when he >> says you'll get it back in a week, the actual printing process is >> quite quick. But once you load it with strings it will just come >> apart. If you get back a wax model, its not intended as a finished product - but could be a legitimate intermediate stage for a luthier to finish off. Dont forget to consider the season before ordering (also an issue for super-glue), modeling wax deforms easily in transit when in hot vehicles or trans-shipment warehousing. If you are getting a carbon-fiber shell from him thats more interesting, figure out a way to join it to a traditional top and thats a lot of work saved, could be worth a couple hundred to a busy luthier. I suspect carbon-fiber would make a good body, assuming hide glue works. And if it doesnt, maybe they can work in a light-wood rim around the inside (willow, poplar...). -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at [5][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [5]http://www.mit.edu/ 2. mailto:[6]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 3. mailto:[7]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 4. mailto:[8]blues.for.nar...@ntlworld.com 5. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 3. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=blues.for.nar...@ntlworld.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.mit.edu/ 6. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 7. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 8. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=blues.for.nar...@ntlworld.com 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html