What would be really cool is to have the specialists each do one, 
like have Heringman do the "tips up" and so on.
dt


At 08:23 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote:
>David,
>
>If you ever wanted to make an instructional video demonstrating all 
>five techniques, it would be a great one.
>
>Stephen
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tayler" <vidan...@sbcglobal.net>
>To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:06 PM
>Subject: [LUTE] Re: Thumb-under . . always?
>
>
>>I think there really is no thumb under and over.
>>
>>There are however
>>
>>Thumb "in"--the thumb is inside the hand'' NB: just as it was 
>>called back then
>>Thumb "in tips up"  the finger tips are higher
>>Thumb "out & stretched"--thumb must be like a bow NB specifically
>>described historically
>>Thumb "out"--not like a bow, more relaxed
>>Thumb "middle"--this is "over" in the sense that it is directly over
>>the first finger, however, it would be confusing to term it this way.
>>
>>Obviously, there are a thousand variations on these, but this is a
>>good starting point.
>>To just start at "over" and "under" will just create technique
>>problems becuase you may get stuck or wobble between different positions.
>>Each of these produces a very distinctive and different sound.
>>Also, because the historical positions are not accurately described,
>>they have fallen out of use.
>>I use all five of these depending on the instrument and the repertory.
>>
>>dt
>>
>>
>>At 07:09 AM 7/31/2009, you wrote:
>>>On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:56 PM, <nedma...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> >   when the index finger strikes the string, it ends its
>>> > =A0 stroke under and behind the thumb, before returning to its starting
>>> > =A0 position in front of the thumb.
>>>
>>>There are many ways of looking at it. Some suggestions, others will
>>>give more, so take your pick.
>>>
>>>A relaxed hand has thumb under index. Try without a lute. Aim for a
>>>relaxed hand when playing.
>>>
>>>Place thumb between index and middle finger. (Yes, fig-sign.) Unbend
>>>fingers, don't overdo the strechting, remember to relax. Good lute
>>>playing hand.
>>>
>>>Do the plucking movement with your under-arm, bit of wrist, very litle
>>>bit of finger. So index-to-thumb position does change but little
>>>during  plucking.
>>>
>>>After plucking thumb, don't 'move it back' to starting position, but
>>>let plucking motion (under-arm) for index take your hand and hence
>>>thumb back to starting point.
>>>
>>>Play slowly, concentrate on relaxing and erradicating superfluous movements=
>>
>>
>>
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