Martyn, Sean, and Martin
&nbs= p; I have double frets on my 11c lute, and have had them
for more tha= n a year.
Stephen Gottlieb mentioned burnishing the first element of th= e double
fret, so it had presumably been slightly lowered (thus similar to =
Sean's double single frets?).
There may have been slight clarity issues,= at first, although I don't
recall that (well at first there was a slight p= roblem with the
loaded, until I used higher tension octaves, so that might = have
hidden such a problem) certainly at present the sound does not show th=
e "uncleanness" of a worn single, and there is still no sign of wear,
whats= oever.
I am sure that would not have been so with single frets.
= On the other hand the lowest frets do tend to slip, and the two
elements se= em very thin, so I am not sure that stability is the main
advantage, althou= gh there has been no tendance for slip on the
thicker frets.
Stephen= thought that double frets might give a slightly softer sound
(perhaps this= is the same as Sean's "absorbs the high frequencies").
Again I can not say= whether that is so, as I have never used the lute
with singles.
All in= all I am very happy with them. It is such a relief just not to
having to c= hange them so frequently.
I thank Sean and Martyn for encouraging me at = the time to ask Stephen
to set my lute up like this.
It also pleased Ste= phen, I think to do so; although, I don't think it
was somethingfor which h= e was frequently asked.
Regards
Anthony
---- Message d'origine ----
>De : "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
>=C3=80 : "Lute List" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
> "Martin Shepherd" <mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
>Objet : [LUTE] Re: New frets
>Date : 19/02/2010 11:06:05 CET
>
>
> Martin
>
> As previously discussed, double frets (a single piece not two guts= )
> need a bit of time to 'bed in'. The loop closest to the stopping f=
inger
> takes most of the wear whilst the other loop acts as the cut-off. =
Thus
> double frets also last longer than single.
>
> rgds
>
> Martyn
> --- On Fri, 19/2/10, Martin Shepherd <mar...@luteshop.co.uk>= wrote:
>
> From: Martin Shepherd <mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
> To: "Lute List" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Friday, 19 February, 2010, 8:04
>
> Hi Sean and all,
> Mindful of the fact that HIP frets should be double, in the late 1=
980s
> I had double frets on one of my lutes for some time. I found that= I
> could flatten the strand nearest the nut slightly by rubbing it wi=
th my
> thumbnail and this speeded up the process of wearing them in. I h= ad
no
> trouble with unclear notes.
> I can't remember when or why, but eventually I went back to single=
> frets. Then there was a discussion on this list about the virtues= of
> double frets, including the idea that they gave a clearer and/or m=
ore
> sustained sound. So I was inspired to try them again (same lute) =
and
> had some trouble getting clear notes - only in one or two places, =
but
> it was enough to put me off. Perhaps I should have used Sean's
> double-single method (non-HIP) which allows you to have a thinner =
fret
> on the nut side and would also make it easier to separate them if =
you
> wanted to go in for a bit of tastino!
> I was also attracted to the idea that double frets slip less and m=
ight
> be more secure in terms of strings slipping sideways, because of t=
he
> greater surface area in contact with the string. This was an
> especially attractive idea for playing slurred passages on the
> theorbo. When I refret the theorbo, I think I'll have to try it.<=
br> > It's also interesting that most players nowadays use huge frets
> (single) while the old guys (the Ambassadors painting, Dowland) us=
ed
> very thin (double) frets. Is there a connection?
> Best wishes,
> Martin
> Sean Smith wrote:
> >
> > Well, Dan, there's that special tomato knot that defies compr=
ehension
> standing between me and HIP in this case. Can you imagine doing th=
at w/
> those monster 1mm 1st and 2nd frets? Brrr.
> >
> > I don't know if anyone answered the question on how often to =
change
> frets but I remember Jacob Herringmann saying he swapped them all =
out
> before concerts. A lot of work tho I'm sure it gets easier as time=
goes
> by. He uses singles as far as I've ever seen. But there is nothing=
> quite as clean-sounding as a newly fretted instrument.
> >
> > Grant Tomlinson taught that we should have a good cradle for = the
lute
> to work with changing frets and expect to take your time. Then he<=
br> > mentioned Jacob did it all sitting on the couch, lickety split.
Me= , I'm
> an all afternoon kinda guy.
> >
> > Even new doubled frets at their best never quite sounded as c= lean
as
> singles --just my opinion and I'm sure there are pros who really h=
ave
> it down. Personally, I think the extended surface absorbs the high=
> frequencies. Same goes for old single frets.
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Daniel Winheld wrote:
> >
> >>> Do it twice!
> >>
> >> HEY! It's the SINGLE frets that ain't HIP - look at that = damn
> picture
> >> again- (you know, the one with the boreless Oboe Muto) Is= there
any
> >> known historical information about single frets? Maybe Ma= ce
> mentioned
> >> them? Don't want to make trouble- just askin'....
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>> Honestly, it works though it doesn't seem HIP whatsoe= ver. The
> >>> advantage being you only need to replace one half (al= ways take
off
> >>> the more worn fret and replace it w/ a new one on the= bridge
side).
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, I've done the double fret experiment for a fe= w years on
my
> >>> main ax. It has worked, I've learned a few things but= I'm ready
to
> >>> come back to the single fret club.
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>
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