Martin
I can't resist, how about this to fit your bill, certainly no
cheating or pretence here?
The Orfeo, ba-rock opera - Vi ricorda
[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKJWS9Jtbas
It was a rehearsal for a larger performance, I believe.
Apparently this reminded some on the French list of an Orfeo, by
Luciano Berio, created for the opening of the Grande Halle de la
Vilette, which included l'harmonie des PTT, a baroque orchestra, a
group of mandoline players from Argenteuil, a rock group, and a tape
recorder; a harpsichordist was responding to an electronic key-board
artist.
However, the Berio performance, it is claimed by one on the list, did
surpass that of the Orfeo Barock Orchestra.
Regards
Anthony
Cette version rock me rappelle les solos d'Eurydice dans la version
> "Orfeo
> > II" de Luciano Berio, qui avait ete donnee lors de l'inauguration
de la
> > Grande Halle de la Villette en 1985... Il y avait l`a un ensemble
> baroque,
> > l'harmonie des PTT, l'ensemble de mandolines d'Argenteuil, un
groupe
> rock, a harpsichodist and an electronic keyboard.
> > et bien sur une bande magnetique... tout le monde etait sonorise,
le
> public
> > se baladait entre les groupes de musiciens qui se repondaient d'un
> lieu `a
> > l'autre, une ambulance et des motards casques sur scene...
Regards
Anthony
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>De : "Martin Shepherd" <mar...@luteshop.co.uk>
>A : "Lute List" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>Objet : [LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?
>Date : 07/10/2010 15:55:23 CEST
>
> Dear All,
>
> On 07/10/2010 13:52, Franc,ois Pizette wrote:
> > Dear Anthony, and allI was one of these two french luthenists.In
fact
> > Titanium nylon trebles is my best solution to have a great tensile
> > strengh and an easy to handle diameter, so a lower density is the
most
> > important thing. My aim is to play on my "classical" archlute by
> > Gyorgy Lorinczi according with my personal choice of a 67 cm string
> > lenght in Ensemble Music at modern pitch A =440Hz with the first
> > course doubled.A very good surprise is the smootheness of the
contact
> > and an easier expressivity compared with Perlon or Nylon.Nylgut and
> > gut would breakCarbon would be too thin.Please Excuse my ...English
> > Original message:[LUTE] Re: Carbon strings + Titanium Nylon?Anthony
> > HindTue, 05 Oct 2010 06:26:03 -0700
> I felt I just had to comment on this. It may well be that Titanium
> nylon is the only way that Francois can get a 67cm archlute up to G
at
> a'=440, especially with a double first, but what is the point?
>
> 17th C archlutes were indeed about 67cm string length and used gut
> strings for which the highest practical pitch was about a'=392 or
> possibly lower. It follows that the ensembles in which they played
must
> have used these low pitches. Incidentally this is one area in which
> lutenists have an important role to play in informing any debates
about
> historical pitch standards - the modern standard "baroque = 415" is
as
> unhistorical as anything else.
>
> For me, the music is what is important, not the "historical accuracy"
-
> so matters of tempo, phrasing and articulation are easily more
important
> than whether or not you use gut strings, or what pitch you play at.
> That does not diminish my fascination with what this music *might*
have
> sounded like, an enterprise which is very much concerned with things
> like pitch and string materials.
>
> For modern performances we can use whatever instruments and materials
we
> like, but we don't see too many electric guitars in early music
> ensembles because they might frighten the public - so I think there's
a
> danger of dishonesty here as well. Apparently there are some
ensembles
> who are happy to use "historical-looking" instruments but are
unwilling
> to play at a pitch other than 440 and as a result have to make all
sorts
> of nasty compromises. I'm not joking about the electric guitar - why
> not use it?
>
> Best wishes to all, and sympathies to Francois who is obliged to
suffer
> these indignities,
>
> Martin
>
>
>
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References
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKJWS9Jtbas
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