Dear Stuart and all "But I think serial music could work on a lute or lutes." Stuart
I was thinking eactly the same thing Stuart (nice playing and piece), while I was mulling over the previous Baroque lute thread "New music to d-minor tuning?", and trying to clarify my thoughts. Appologies for thinking aloud: No one mentionned the two (possibly three) pieces written by the Australian composer, Robert Allworth for Baroque lute, available from the Australian Music Centre. [1]http://tinyurl.com/create.php % I believe at least two of these pieces were written for Susan King, including a 12 tone style composition for solo Dm lute, "Memories of Rain". The sheet music and a recorded extract can be found here: [2]http://tinyurl.com/2e99dzg % I heard Susan play this in a Parisian Salon (I think on her beautiful 11c lute having belonged to Michael Schaeffer made by Michael Lowe). Her playing is subtle (more so than seems on this "amplified" recorded extract), and I enjoyed the piece, but perhaps others would prefer something more neo-baroque. % It is true that the lute generally projects less than the Theorbo (Jerzy Zak) and even during the baroque era, the latter did tend to dominate in orchestral ensembles; but I do think a lute can work quite well in small ensembles or with voice or flute. % An example of this can be found in Allworth's concerto for French Baroque lute, harp, violin, viola da gamba, here: [3]http://tinyurl.com/26dyuxt I believe this was also written for Susan King; but this short extract admittedly does not allow a clear judgement, and I have'nt heard the complete recording. % However, I suggest, except for the acoustics of modern auditoriums, as proved by the above (and Stuart's work), serial-type music could be applied to any instrument including the lute. % There is a recording of contemporary music by Pete Soderberg, but I don't know on what type of lute it has been performed; and it is of course not music specifically written for the lute. Although, if successful (and I have not heard it) it could show how apt the lute is to perform such music. [4]http://tinyurl.com/33m6wzl If you have heard it, I would like your comments. % Perhaps, T. Satoh's works could be classified as Neo-Renaissance or Baroque; but there seems to have been an unbroken Japanese ancient music tradition up to the present, from which contemporary Japanese composers can almost directly borrow, and TS can surely rely on this continued skill even when borrowing from early forms of Western Music, which might lead to a less artificial modern "transfusion". [5]http://www.channelclassics.com/works-of-toyohoko-satoh-1.html [6]http://www.channelclassics.com/works-of-toyohiko-satoh-2.html % Other relatively unbroken traditions might include Scottish or Irish (and perhaps central European RT?) folk-baroque. Perhaps, Maxwell Davies, now in his quieter Orkney's mode, could be persuaded to write something for Rob Mackillop's sensitive playing? [7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOuauqi2oBM&feature=related (although I personally far prefer MD's Neo-Baroque adventure with the Fires of London). % Actually, I think there are more than one interpretation of the expression "Neo-Baroque", depending on the degree of "newness" one feels "Neo" expresses (see neologism). At least one sense of this I feel, could be a contemporary music obtained by abstraction through synthesizing of the principles of Baroque construction, and fusing it with elements of modern composition. In other words a "new Baroque" but in which features of the old remain clearly audible, not just new pieces created by someone who has mastered the rules of French or German baroque composition which I would prefer to call Baroque revival. Although I see "Neo" in Neo-classical can receive this weaker meaning, albeit only if the composition adds something new to what has already been said by the Classical masters: "an artist, well schooled and comfortably familiar with the canon, does not repeat it in lifeless reproductions, but synthesizes the tradition anew in each work. (...) a neoclassical artist who fails to achieve (this) may create works that are inane, vacuous or even mediocre, gaffes of taste and failures of craftsmanship are not commonly neoclassical failings." [8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassicism (sorry, I see no author) % In order to create a new Baroque in the stronger sense, I feel (as suggested above) a composer must have been steeped in a musical tradition in order to operate such an abstraction, which implies either no break in the tradition, or a period of Baroque revival (as hopefully at present). Could I be allowed, in that sense, to consider Schoenberg (at least in some works) to be a neo Mahlerian? % Have we reached the stage in which the break in the Baroque lute tradition has been sufficiently bridged to allow a Neo-Baroque lute music, in this stronger sense to be developped? At present, I would think only a composer-lutenist familar both with Baroque and contemporary principles of composition would be in a position to do so for the Baroque lute. Listening to all the Modern Lute music links that have been sent to this thread, I feel the only one which, for me nears this goal, could be Meinhard Gerlach's "Noa Noa, Tombeau de Gauguin (Laute/lute solo)" [9]http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dsmg % An example of Neo-Baroque in the weaker sense, might be CHRISTOPH DALITZ' corrente, but whether he adds anything to the Baroque masters is for you to judge: [10]http://music.dalitio.de/audio/corrente-archlute.ogg Please, don't get me wrong, I would love to write this sort of piece, and such skill in synthesis, is necessary when interpreting early Baroque works, particularly the French, where only the bare bones are written, the rest left to the composer-interpreter, and also for filling out incomplete works. % Nevertheless, I feel there might be yet another very different Neo-Baroque, which consciously plays on the breaks in tradition, and which most creative contemporary composers, have tended to adopt. This would fuse some strands of Baroque composition with the principles of contemporary music (Baroque from the contempoary point of view). This almost shouts out for a shift in instrument away from anything historic. A supreme example could be Maxwell-Davies' compositions for the Fires of London. His music in this phase is Baroque in itself, but sprinkled with quotations from the early Baroque and Renaissance masters (often with ironic over, or undertones). MD holds up the "cracked multi-faceted mirror" of his own creativity, bending and distorting these pieces to create his very own Baroque (see his "Baroque and Renaissance" LP), rather as Picasso might have done with (or to) the old masters: consciously showing his debts to his forebears, but avoiding any too direct pastiche that could smack of "Art Pompier". % The LP cover can be seen here: [11]http://tinyurl.com/2ap5xvx A typical example (track one) can be heard, here: [12]http://tinyurl.com/2eax3gs "PURCELL Fantasia and Two Pavans (1968) (The Fantasia, in Purcell's key of F-major, is presented in the boldest possible colours. Paradoxically, the boisterously updated orchestration (in particular the piccolo doubling at the twe1fth) creates an authentic dimension of its own: a superb impression of the shrill brilliance of a baroque organ." Stephen Pruslin LP notes 1991 % All the tracks can be found here: [13]http://avantgardeproject.conus.info/AGP71/ Record notes from which the above quote is taken can to be found here: [14]http://williamts99.com/agp/agp71/AGP71.pdf % (These may not his best baroque works, but comparison with the original Baroque compositions, speaks for itself). % Such an iconoclastic performance needs both sympathy and an ironic distanciation with the earlier composition, which makes a shift to modern and different instruments the more evident option: even when evoking the sounds of an original instrument, as in the case of the baroque organ (Pruslin above). % MD and Britten (in a less jarring mode) neverthesss both substituted the guitar for the lute, even in the case of Britten's "Nocturnal after John Dowland Op.70 (1963)", first played on the guitar by Julian Bream, when the lute should have been available and perhaps the more obvious choice: [15]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJETmCQI2fA This seems quite strange, as we have all seen Julian Bream (YouTube) "begging" Stravinsky for a modern piece for his lute. I don't think this shift can simply be due to problems with the lute's projection, or because the guitar was more widely available, but rather a deliberate abstracting shift. (Note that "1960 saw the formation of the Julian Bream Consort, a period-instrument ensemble with Bream as lutenist." wikipedia). % For me MD's "Dark Angel" for soprano and guitar, also "harps" back to earlier lute and voice: [16]http://tinyurl.com/278pglq % Again, it seems to take a lutenist-composer to create something similar for the lute (if not possibly quite of the same calibre), the music of Peter Croton or Peter Wallace, on renaissance, and of course Stefan Lundgren on Dm, Lute perhaps? [17]http://www.modernlutemusic.com/DALITZ_CHRISTOPH.html [18]http://www.luteonline.se/a_luteshopgallery.htm#dminorlute % Has the modern revival of the Baroque or Renaissance lute sufficiently bridged the gap with the old, to allow a valid Neo-Renaissance or Baroque (in the first but strong sense above), neither "pompier" nor cracked and fragmented, to develop with a non lute playing composer drawing on historic type instruments? Roman's link to the Vox-Saeculorum site makes me optimistic, as there do appear to be more composers skilled both in modernist and Baroque composition [19]http://tinyurl.com/3xbb673 e.g. "Vox Saeculorum welcomes composer Jocelyn Godwin to our fold. Mr. Godwin is Professor of Music at Colgate University, where he teaches Music History. He was a keen modernist composer, but inspired by the Vox Saeculorum principles, he has returned to composition, writing harpsichord music in French style and filling gaps in the repertory of other instruments." % Meanwhile, I have greatly enjoyed performances of MD and the Fires of London's very disturbing Neo-Baroque masterpiece, "8 songs for a Mad King", but which really must be heard and seen on stage. "The eight songs are all based on the tunes played by an actual [20]mechanical organ owned by George III which he used to try and train [21]bullfinches to sing." % One final question, which string types, synthetic, or gut, would be most suitable for a Neo Baroque (in the first sense ) piece, leaving aside the breakages issue? % Well in relation to this last, it is not just with the breaking of a lute or violin string that MD signals King George has finally "gone over the top", but by smashing the first violinist's violin. Who offers up their Warwick for such a "shattering" Neo-Baroque lute enterprise? [22]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV35uha6rrQ&feature=related regards Anthony (appologies for meandering from the Baroque lute rather, and speaking aloud my inner conundrums). ---- Message d'origine ---- >De : "Stuart Walsh" <s.wa...@ntlworld.com> >A : "Lute Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >Objet : [LUTE] dodecaphonic lute: Jelinek's Two-part Invention No 3 >Date : 15/10/2010 23:50:14 CEST > > This is just a (maybe daft) little experimental curiosity - some > serial music played as lute duo. But it's real music from 'Four Two-part > Inventions' by Hanns Jelinek (1949). He says that these pieces are 'to > all friends and lovers of composition in the twelve-tone system'. > > [23]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDT4kheGWIk > > The piece goes beyond the three octaves of a lute so I had to do some > octave transposition. The phrases are very clearly marked and I didn't > do any Baroque guitar-style octave hopping: I only moved complete > phrases. Also the tempo of quaver=76 is too slow for a G-lute so I > played it a bit faster. > > Overall, I probably murdered the piece! > > But I think serial music could work on a lute or lutes. > > > Stuart > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [24]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. http://tinyurl.com/create.php 2. http://tinyurl.com/2e99dzg 3. http://tinyurl.com/26dyuxt 4. http://tinyurl.com/33m6wzl 5. http://www.channelclassics.com/works-of-toyohoko-satoh-1.html 6. http://www.channelclassics.com/works-of-toyohiko-satoh-2.html 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOuauqi2oBM&feature=related 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassicism 9. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dsmg 10. http://music.dalitio.de/audio/corrente-archlute.ogg 11. http://tinyurl.com/2ap5xvx 12. http://tinyurl.com/2eax3gs 13. http://avantgardeproject.conus.info/AGP71/ 14. http://williamts99.com/agp/agp71/AGP71.pdf 15. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJETmCQI2fA 16. http://tinyurl.com/278pglq 17. http://www.modernlutemusic.com/DALITZ_CHRISTOPH.html 18. http://www.luteonline.se/a_luteshopgallery.htm#dminorlute 19. http://tinyurl.com/3xbb673 20. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_organ 21. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Bullfinch 22. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV35uha6rrQ&feature=related 23. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDT4kheGWIk 24. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html