Hi Martyn, I'll respond below.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Lute Dmth" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "A. J. Ness"
<arthurjn...@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 4:06 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Kraków, Biblioteka Jagiellonska, Mus.
ms 40032 (olim Berlin)
Thank you for your advice and best wishes on this Xmas Day.
Likewise!
I was aware of Kirsch's work (ref below) which as you say contains
incipits tho' few concordances but don't have a personal copy to hand -
hence my plea! My usual University Library is the fine Brotherton
collection at Leeds but, alas, they don't have Kirsch's work.
1992. Dieter Kirsch. Berliner Lautentablaturen in Krakau: bescheibender
Katalog der handschriftlichen Tablaturen fuer Laute in der Bibliotheka
Jagiellonska. Mainz: Schott, 1992.
I'm also aware of Mayer's excellent work but find the index not
always the most useful tool since I can't obtain a direct listing of
40032 as such (as far as I can see) but, as you say, can scroll through
the alphabetic entries for ALL Ms to identify pieces linked to a
particular source ...... I was rather hoping there might be a dedicated
listing of the Ms to save me this chore. Oddly, the works 'in
progress' do list contents by individual Ms. Am I missing something?
It's Meyer et al. He has some excellent scholars assisting him, incl. Goy,
Crawford, Kiraly, Robinson, the late Monique Rollin et al., and I should
have made that clearer.
The lists of contents (like a table of contents)
are in the printed volumes arranged by country of the library (vols.
I-III/3). Originally
the indexes to the various printed volumes were on a microfiche in a pocket
in the back of each volume. But the on-line "Sommaire" replaces those. But
as I
indicated, it is possible to reconstruct the contents of a given manuscript
by using the "Find on this page" utility in your browser. Alas it isn't
possible to copy the titles while on-line. You can download the index
files to a word processor and then copy the titles one by one, by dragging
them to a second page. On my word processor it is possible to have two pages
on he screen and copy material back and forth. Better still is to use the
printed volumes, especially with a large volume: 40032 has 340 pieces!
The listing at the bottom are future printed volumes in preparation. So
they have lists of the cotents.
Anyway, I hope this gets you started.
regards
Martyn
--- On Fri, 24/12/10, A. J. Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net> wrote:
From: A. J. Ness <arthurjn...@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Krakow, Biblioteka Jagiellonska, Mus.
ms 40032 (olim Berlin)
To: "Miles Dempster" <miles.demps...@gmail.com>, "Lute Dmth"
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Friday, 24 December, 2010, 18:02
Perhaps I can add a bit to this discussion. On Wayne Cripps's Lute
Page I have posted a number of "Finding Tools," which can be useful
in
answering questions such as Martyn's. The manuscript Mus Ms 40032
formerly in the Prussian State Library in Berlin is one of those
lute
tablatures which were thought to have been destroyed in World War II
(soldiers were seen burning books to keep warm near the castle where
they had been stored for safekeeping when bombs began falling on
Berlin). They turned up about 15 years ago in Krakow,* and Mus Ms
40032, perhaps intended for vihuela, is in many ways one of the most
fascinating of the Jagiellonska tablatures. Many of us look forward
to
the edition mentioned by Miles Dempster now under preparation by
Dinko
Fabris and John Griffiths.
For the "Finding Tools" see
[1][1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Sources.html
> "Martyn Hodgson" <[2][2]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Is there an online listing WITH concordances of the
>> contents of [Mus Ms 40032]
G. Crona suggested one item from my lists, the catalogue of lute
manuscripts at the Jagiellonska library, "1992: Dieter Kirsch." It
contains a title list with tablature incipits of all the works in
Mus
Ms 40032, as well as a few concordances.
A better place to look especially for concordances would be volume
III/2 of "1991-9: Christian Meyer" on the "Finding Tools." According
to
the World Catalogue** 74 libraries have the Meyer's Sources (for
Martyn, including the British Library and the university libraries
at
Cambridge, Oxford and Glasgow).
The indexes to Christian Meyer's inventories are on line (I give the
link [3][3]http://www.bnu.fr/Smt/sommaire.htm), and include
extensive,
updated lists of concordances for each piece. One can use the
indexes
to satisfy Martyn's wish for on-line information. Go to the on-line
Sommaire, and the list of indexes about half way down the page.
Select
"titres", click on each letter of the alphabet, and use 40032 as
search
term. "A" will give you 4 "hits," and "B" 6, most with several
concordances. Voil`a.
ajn
==================
*The acccount of the missing sources (which included the autograph
MSS
to Magic Flute, the finale to the Ninth, etc.) is told in Nigel
Lewis,
Paperchase: Mozart, Beethoven, Bach . . . The Search for their Lost
Music (London: Hamish Hamilton Ltd., 1981). x + 246 pp.
**See "Literature and Modern editions" on the "Finding" list. A
fantastically useful tool. Enter your ZIP Code or state to locate
nearest libraries having the desired item. Also be sure to use the
filters in the left column to narrow your search. You can join the
World Catalogue and make your own private bibliographies. Another
world-wide search engine is the Karlsruhe Connection, also listed
nearby. It is also useful in searching for books to purchase (see
last column ); that's how I found and purchased a copy of
Paperchase.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miles Dempster" <[4][4]miles.demps...@gmail.com>
To: "Lute Dmth" <[5][5]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Krakow, Biblioteka Jagiellonska, Mus. ms
40032 (olim Berlin)
> John Griffiths is likely to be your man for this info:
>
> [1][6]http://www.vihuelagriffiths.com/JohnGriffiths/Barbarino.ht
ml
>
> On 2010-12-22, at 10:10 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
>
> Is there an online listing WITH concordances of the contents
of
this
> Ms?
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> References
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[6][8]http://www.vihuelagriffiths.com/JohnGriffiths/Barbarino.html
> 2. [7][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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2. mailto:[11]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
3. [12]http://www.bnu.fr/Smt/sommaire.htm
4. mailto:[13]miles.demps...@gmail.com
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6. [15]http://www.vihuelagriffiths.com/JohnGriffiths/Barbarino.html
7. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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3. http://www.bnu.fr/Smt/sommaire.htm
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6. http://www.vihuelagriffiths.com/JohnGriffiths/Barbarino.html
7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
8. http://www.vihuelagriffiths.com/JohnGriffiths/Barbarino.html
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15. http://www.vihuelagriffiths.com/JohnGriffiths/Barbarino.html
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