"...gratuitous dissonance..."?
Gary
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From: "Roman Turovsky" <r.turov...@verizon.net>
To: "Ron Andrico" <praelu...@hotmail.com>; <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>;
<gilbert.is...@telenet.be>
Cc: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:28 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New blog post
Ron,
the questions are totally valid, and 98% of modern music is in fact ugly.
This certainly does NOT apply to Gilbert, as his music is neither ugly nor
modern (it is jazz-influenced, and as such has a certainn historicist air
to
it, and it is certainly not modernist). Jazz-influenced sonorities work
well
on lutes, as evinenced by Edin's renditions of Monk for example, or Ivano
Zanenghi's own compositions.
As to purely mordernist sound - it is utterly inappropriate for all lutes
in
general, and the baroque lute in particular, as the acoustical properties
of the instrument tolerate absolutely no gratuitous dissonance and/or
non-traditional methods of producing sound (I had many discussions apropos
with Hans Kockelmans, who has a lot of experience both as a lutenist and
an
avant-garde composer). Modernism on lutes sounds half-ass at best, and
daft
at worst.
Only one modernist idiom has some real potential on lutes, and that is
Minimalism, due to its adherence to consonance and rhythmic interest.
RT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Andrico" <praelu...@hotmail.com>
To: <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>; <gilbert.is...@telenet.be>
Cc: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:05 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New blog post
Gilbert, Arto:
I don't recall having described modern music as 'ugly' nor having
railed against inventiveness. My point is just to ask the questions.
But I will add that the 16th century lute was designed for and excels
at transparent polyphony and, while modern chordal sounds can work, I
haven't see much polyphonic writing of new music for the lute.
Best wishes,
Ron Andrico
> Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:26:41 +0300
> To: gilbert.is...@telenet.be
> CC: praelu...@hotmail.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> From: wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: New blog post
>
>
> Yes Gilbert!
>
> And they were really very inventive already in 17th cetury; just take
a
> look to La Comete by Gallot:
>
>
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/11_courseLute/GallotsCometeM.pdf
>
> Arto
>
> On Thu, 5 May 2011 15:21:04 +0200, "Gilbert Isbin"
> <gilbert.is...@telenet.be> wrote:
> > Why should a modern voicing sound ugly on a lute. Play Dm11 for
instance.
>
> > Not bad. Gm13/D . What's wrong with it ? Sounds very beautiful to
me.
> >
> > Why shouldn't it be possible to integrate lute techniques in modern
lute
> > compositions? Try C9sus4 followed by a bass line, or a single note
run on
>
> > the top voice, or in the middle voice. Sounds pretty ok to me.
> >
> > I think people from the 16th century would have a good laugh about
this
> > discussion. It was a time in which so many creative things
happened. New
> > compositional techniques, new lute techniques, new instruments, ..
> >
> > Gilbert.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Andrico" <praelu...@hotmail.com>
> > To: <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:06 PM
> > Subject: [LUTE] New blog post
> >
> >
> >> To All:
> >> We have a new blog post raising a few questions about modern music
on
> >> the lute - not against the idea, by the way.
> >> [1]http://mignarda.wordpress.com
> >> Ron & Donna
> >> --
> >>
> >> References
> >>
> >> 1. http://mignarda.wordpress.com/
> >>
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