Hi Nancy and Alain, My personal theory is that in an age without copy machines, they must have done a lot of hand copying. I've certainly lost my place copying. It is easy to do and easy to imagine someone burning the midnight oil just spacing out on it. Even a quick play through doesn't sound bad so they could have thought "done". I find it hard to believe it wasn't an error because the two bars don't come at a musically significant place. Like I said, if it were me, I might have put two bars of G together to build tension right before the "recap", but I reckon that is a totally modern way of thinking and they wouldn't have done it.
I guess there are no other versions of the piece than those two in Marsh. Are there any significant differences in the incomplete version? I suppose the duet offered by The Lute Society must be an arrangement. On Jun 12, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: > There's another example of a break in the pattern in Marsh. The > Bergamask on pp 423-424 - you can see it on my web site at > [1]http://groundsanddivisions.info/Marsh-Bergamask.pdf > The change is about 2/3 of the way down the first page and it fits so > well I think it was intended. I don't know about 2/3 down, but a third of the way down, at the end of the 3rd line, half a measure is missing that I find really disturbing. And at the beginning of m. 25 I find the C harmony instead of F doesn't tickle me nicely. At m. 29 the F harmony is missing again, but it kind of puts things back on track with the proper harmonies falling at the beginnings of bars until the end. You weren't thinking of measure 54, were you? Because although there is a C in the bass, the harmony is F. I've never heard a Bergamasca I like better than the famous one by Gianoncelli. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0w6wZ3d7i4 > That said, there are some other pieces > in Marsh that have enough mistakes that they need quite a bit of > "improvement." One of them is the "Long Dump" page 280. > Nancy > > I checked the facsimile of the Marsh lute book and the break in the > pattern is definitely there -- I tend to agree with the "Maybe it is > not a mistake" theory. It could be an intentional echo effect - the > melodic pattern of the second half of the bar is repeated a fourth > up in the first half of the following bar. It might be intended to > wake up the audience in a fairly long and repetitive piece and as > you indicate prepare them for the final recap of the theme. Maybe > Philip Glass could help here? It is worth noting that the piece > appears twice in the book, the first time left obviously unfinished > with a page and a half left blank immediately following, i.e. enough > space to finish the transcription later. The scribe however finally > recopied the piece at the very end of the book from the beginning > all over again. There are no scratches or corrections of any kind > in the second version. > Another interesting aspect of this piece: it is not doleful. > Alain > On 6/9/2012 1:04 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > I got a modern printout recently of Philip or Arthur's Dump - from > Marsh, I believe. About 16 m. before the end there appears to be a > missing measure or three. That is, the alternating C-G pattern > breaks and there are two measures based on G. > I also saw mention on the lute society site catalog of a duet > version. Is this the same version as Marsh? I thought I had Marsh, > but I don't, I think I mixed it up with Mynshall. > I wonder if the 'missing' measure was a mistake and is in Marsh or a > concordance, or perhaps someone famous has reconstructed it. > Maybe it is not a mistake? Magnus Andersson certainly plays it > convincingly: > [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVuhbBhYCl0 > If I were the composer, I would have put that two bars of G bit > right before the 'recap', where he brings back the opening theme at > the end. > TIA > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > Nancy Carlin Associates > P.O. Box 6499 > Concord, CA 94524 USA > phone 925/686-5800 fax 925/680-2582 > web sites - [4]www.nancycarlinassociates.com > [5]www.groundsanddivisions.info > Representing: > FROM WALES - Crasdant & Carreg Lafar, FROM ENGLAND - Jez Lowe & Jez > Lowe & The Bad Pennies, and now representing EARLY MUSIC - The Venere > Lute Quartet, The Good Pennyworths & Morrongiello & Young > Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA > web site - [6]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org > -- > > References > > 1. http://groundsanddivisions.info/Marsh-Bergamask.pdf > 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVuhbBhYCl0 > 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 4. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/ > 5. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/ > 6. http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/ > --
