SAorry - following Wayne's advice I ought to have sent this in plain text... Here it is M.
----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> >To: Ralf Bachmann <ralfbachm...@hotmail.com>; Christopher Wilke ><chriswi...@yahoo.com>; Lute Dmth <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >Sent: Thursday, 27 February 2014, 8:15 >Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 > > > >Thank you Ralf (and Chris for your earlier), > > >This passage certainly seems to reinforce my own (and Chris's) view that these >little numbers reflect some form of chord breaking pattern. > > >The problem I found originally, and still now, is that the figure 2 appears >not only with three note chords but also with one 4 note chord; and the figure >3 mostly with three note chords but also with one five note chord. > > >I therefore originally speculated that the 2 figure might mean some form of >'um-cha' chord, whether containing three or more notes, whereas the 3 might >mean breaking a three note chord into a triplet arpeggio - but I wasn't >entirely convinced by the result. And what to make of the 3 under a five note >chord! > > >Martyn > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Ralf Bachmann <ralfbachm...@hotmail.com> >>To: Christopher Wilke <chriswi...@yahoo.com>; Lute Dmth >><lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> >>Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014, 17:21 >>Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 >> >> >> >> >>Hello Christopher, >> >> >>in the manuscript PL-WRu 60019 (former call number Mf 2002 and part of the >>Gruessau collection until 1945) there is an explanation of the symbols used >>in that tablature. Under point 20) one reads >> >> >>" Wan ein Bass soll zwey drey oder 4 mahl arpegieret werde, wird es mit >>Ziffern notiert, wo aber keine Ziffer, nur einmahl." >> >> >>"If a bass has to be arpegiated two, three or four times, it is anotated with >>numbers; if there is no number, then only once." >> >> >>There exists a study by Andreas Schlegel of the most common arpegiation >>patterns found in tablatures >>to be applied in such instances. >> >> >>I have a (incomplete) copy of that study if you are interested >> >> >>Best wishes, >>Ralf >> >> >>> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:20:26 -0800 >>> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk >>> From: chriswi...@yahoo.com >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Notational query in NB Wien MS 17.706 >>> >>> Hi Martyn, >>> >>> I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you, but possibly more intrigue. >>>In the Gruesau RM 4141 for 13-course lute (which I recently downloaded via a >>>link provided here on the list) there is a curious symbol above numerous >>>chords made up of varying numbers of notes. Most of these look like a "2." I >>>thought they could possibly be rhythmic symbols, but they look just like the >>>"2" found on page numbers and elsewhere in the manuscript, standard rhythmic >>>signs are written over chords that are probably arpeggiated. On p.5, there >>>are is also a "3" and a "4", written over chords made up of between 4 and 6 >>>notes. Like Martyn, I think the numbers might indicate some types of >>>arpeggio patterns, but I can't relate them to any practice with which I'm >>>familiar on baroque lute. Anyone have insights? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. >>> Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer >>> www.christopherwilke.com >>> >> >> >> >> > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
