This time a reply after watching the video (test question: What's the colour of Steve's cat?). What I saw was Steve playing written-out formulae in a baroque style, cycling through many keys. What Chris referred to as 'don't be afraid to copy' and 'learning many licks', or similar wording, anyway, the usual jazz teaching method. In the end Steve plays a written-out single-line exercise and a written out contrapuntal exercise. Whether a student will be able to use this in his improvisation to go beyond the formulae, is up to the student, but he will be given the harmonic and contrapuntal tools on the fingerboard as opposed to just on paper to do so. Yes, it would be great to have this for dm-lute, and I don't think it would be all that much work to make. Some years ago I made a few beginners' lessons for playing continuo on dm-lute (on-line on my website for those interested). There are historical dm continuo lessons by Perrine and in the Prague University Library Ms. II Kk 51. But these are all harmony oriented, and Steve's approach is focused on contrapuntal cadences and formulae. Keyboard players (notably organ players) are still trained in improvising contrapuntal compositions. I have a classical guitar colleague who liked to improvise baroque counterpoint. To call it fugues would be stretching it, but his contrapuntal fantasies were convincing enough. I don't think it should be taken as a goal though, when so much better composers wrote so much better music. But it would be a great tool in understanding music, in gaining fluency on the dm-fingerboard and in playing more contrapuntal/more interesting continuo. Closest historical source I can think of is the Italian ms with written-out cadenses and 'licks' for theorbo. David ******************************* David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl ******************************* On 1 July 2015 at 14:49, Rob MacKillop <[3]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've long thought that there was something missing from the way most of > us learn to play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar. Some of us > have studied figured bass playing, it's something I particularly > enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But rarely do we > step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very, very small > percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint in Dm > tuning. > > I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar heroes, Steve > Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque. You have to > buy the class, but an overview video is available: > > [1][4]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ > > It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to the Dm lute. > One would really get to know the instrument and tuning well, and > discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be used in > improvising fugues or dance movements. > > I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video. > > Rob MacKillop > > [2][5]www.robmackillop.net > > -- > > References > > 1. [6]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ > 2. [7]http://www.robmackillop.net/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
-- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 3. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com 4. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ 5. http://www.robmackillop.net/ 6. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ 7. http://www.robmackillop.net/ 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
