Dear all,
Thank you for all your responses! Deciphering puzzling pieces such as
this make such interesting discussion! Wayne is correct, it is the
staynes morris tune, but the choral version I have is VERY different,
as many have cited here. Not only is the time signature different in
the Choral piece (4/4) where the original is "mostly" in 6/8, there are
also many ficta changes. In the first measure of the pieces, the f#
is f natural in the choral piece, in the 2nd measure, the e naturals
are e flats in the choral piece. Clearly, changing this from "major"
to minor" and changing the rhythm clearly makes the melody almost
unrecognizable. Not to mention, The Ballet version is in relative g
minor, where the choral version is in e minor (perhaps inspired by a
guitar arrangement?).
I had looked at Staynes Morris, but looking at the major inflection
with the rhythm not matching, I missed it. Good eye, Wayne!
Also thanks to Denys, Art, Allan, Bruno, and all who contributed to
this discussion! You all were correct.
The choir director gave me the piece in 4 parts, and on the sheet he
gave me, it states:
Text: Old English Carol, Sloane MS. 2593
Music: BALLET 2483
From William Ballet's Lute Book, c. 1600, MS in the Library
of Trinity College, Dublin
Harmonization by Dr. Charles Wood from The Cowley Carol
Book, 1902.
I wanted to play the original between verses for a contrast, but that
would result in chaos, with a key change, ficta change, rhythm change,
etc. I shall simply play along with the score of the choral part, and
improvise a solo part. The arranger could have done is a favor by
identifying which piece inspired the arrangement.
Thanks!
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Wayne <[1]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
wrote:
The Ballet version got a reworking to make it into the Christmas
tune. The Ballet original is in 6/8 time which is different from the
carol
and the contemporary morris dance tune, and the original has some rough
passages which would need reworking.
Wayne
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> From: "[2]denyssteph...@sky.com" <[3]denyssteph...@sky.com>
> Date: November 30, 2015 at 11:41:41 AM EST
> To: Wayne <[4]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>, "[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blessed be that Maid Marie
>
> Wayne is right - it's the staynes morris tune. I asked myself the
same
> question when I was arranging that carol for a Christmas concert a
> couple of years ago. Arrangers of the tune often give the
impression
> that a setting of the song is to be found in the Ballet
manuscript,
> which is not the case. I suspect that very few of them will have
seen
> the original. For the purposes of accompanying a choir it would be
much
> better in my opinion to intabulate the setting they are working
from -
> the Ballet setting is unlikely to be a perfect fit.
> Best wishes,
> Denys
>
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>
> From: Wayne <[7]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> To: [8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Sent: Monday, 30 November 2015, 16:09
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Blessed be that Maid Marie
> Would that be the Staynes Morris on page 91 ?
> Wayne
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>> From: Edward Martin <[1][9]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
>> Date: November 30, 2015 at 10:53:51 AM EST
>> To: lute net <[2][10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>> Subject: [LUTE] Blessed be that Maid Marie
>>
>> Dear ones,
>> I have been asked by a professional choir to play along with a
>> Christmas Carol, Blessed be that Maid Marie. There are modern
> choral
>> arrangements of this piece, and they all attribute that it is from
> the
>> William Ballet Lute Book. Here is a link to the book in digital
>> format, from a library in Dublin, of the Ballet Lute Book:
>> [1][3][11]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
>> I looked through it, and I could not find a piece with this title,
> and
>> it is also not listed in Julia Craig-McFeely's thesis, and she
> doesn't
>> list any piece by that name in any English source. I looked at the
>> pices in the book, and could not find any of the tablatures that
> seem
>> to match the melody of this piece.
>> Allan Alexander did a beautiful adaptation years ago with variations
>> (published in the LSA November 2004 Holiday newsletter, page 44),
> but I
>> am unable to find the original.
>> Does this piece exist in the book under a different title?
>> Any assistance is appreciated!
>> Happy luting,
>> ed
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>> References
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>> 1. [4][12]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
>>
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> 3. [16]http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
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4. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu
5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
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7. mailto:wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu
8. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
9. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
10. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
11. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
12. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
14. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com
15. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
16. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
17. http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/content/1297/pdf/1297.pdf
18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
