Dear Bruno,
The problem can have different explanations
the first one: the string. have you tried to install in the opposite? it
became sharper or not?
Why a string can give this problem?
maybe the string has defect, maybe the defect was introduced during the
tuning. I have seen this thing a lot of time with our elastomer bass ukulele
strings
for example, have you pulled it exactly on the 12 fret (so the stretch is
balanced on both side of the string) or maybe on one side only, maybe close
to the bridge? In the second situation the string became unbalanced (the
gauge reduced in that portion of string) and can be flat; if you pulled it
close to the bridge or sharp if you pulled it on the first frets.
this problem can happen with softer struings like CD are.
You mention statistic: well, this is the first complain. I had some
concerning the very thin gor the 5 and 6 courses. I fixed the problem. in
any case please consider that this is the first version, the second version
will be less stretchly No problem at all for replaces. It is my job.
I will do it starting form tomorrow (I have finished my job trips and some
very urgent harp string production).
On my lute I have not this problem, maybe because my octaves are gut and
roped gut for the ticker ones?
well, I will do a video for my FB page so things will be better explained.I
will show the intonation on frets of my 6 and 7 courses
CiaoMimmo
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:28 AM
To: Dan Winheld
Cc: Arto Wikla ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: basses in octaves
Hello all
So I tested the strings individually ,making sure first that the frets
were adjusted for one string properly... and conclusion is that the
loaded CD nylgut goes flat as you go up the scale on the neck...by the
time I get to the 7th fret I no longer have a perfect fifth. My gut
string stays in tune all the way up, and so does the regular nylgut.
I have a feeling part of the problem is the elasticity of the loaded
nylgut. Mimmo has to investigate this .
Bruno
2017-02-28 15:21 GMT-05:00 Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
<[1]fournier...@gmail.com>:
yes it is the first time I use non wound strings on my basses. I
have
used gut octaves for 30 years and have never had the problem,
at least
not to that extent. I understand the action can be part of the
problem, although. I will test the pitch on the strings taken
individually, however I suspect only one of the two strings is
off
pitch as you go up, and I've never had to match the tension
exactly for
both strings, although it could be part of the problem as well.
Bruno
2017-02-28 15:06 GMT-05:00 Dan Winheld <[1][2]dwinh...@lmi.net>:
Bruno- Is this the first time you have ever used non-overspun
basses? That may explain your problem rather than the loaded CD
string specifically. It's a totally different feel, whether the
thick basses are actual gut of one sort or another or a synthetic
that mimics a gut bass string. (I have used plain high twist,
loaded, catlines, Gamut "Pistoys", Gimp, and Savarez KF.) All
fret
more or less the same and can work with their octave strings ;
assuming trueness proper tension, matching tension to the octave,
and of course proper action/neck/fret. Too high action (either nut
or bridge- neck angle) or too thick frets can all affect this-
e.g.,
very thick frets- (mostly we fret thicker & single, not the same
as
historically done) -and too much finger pressure will distort the
intonation- obviously the diff. diameter strings will respond
differently.
Dan
On 2/28/2017 10:31 AM, Arto Wikla wrote:
Hi Bruno
No problems on my archlute's 6th and 7th. CDs and NNG octaves.
Arto
On 28/02/17 19:56, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier wrote:
Dear Collective wisdom,
I have been tuning my 5 and 6th course in octaves for years,
with
wound
strings and gut or nylgut.
recently I bought the CD loaded strings from Mimmo and am
slowly
getting used to them. I have thus replaced the fundamental with
CD
loaded, while keeping my octave strings in gut or nylgut, this
on
two
different lutes.
I have noticed that the octaves are horribly out of tune as I
go
up the
neck, especially by the time you get to the 7th fret. I
realize I
rarely have to play up there, but it bothers me. Am trying
to
figure
out what the problem is.. would it be a mismatch of tension? or
would
it be the Loaded CD strings, that as some of you have probably
found to
be very elastic. I have never had this issue with wound
string/gut
combinations.
I will be testing each string individually to check which one
goes out
of tune as you move up the scale, but I suspect it is the
Loaded
string
that is giving me the problem.
any comments?
Bruno
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