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From: Tristan von Neumann <tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> To: lutelist Net <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2018, 12:41 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions It shines through in this forum. :) Am 18.03.2018 um 09:32 schrieb Martyn Hodgson: > Have you undertaken a survey to be able to assert any of this (other > than you divesting yourself of some instruments)? > MH > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> > To: lutelist Net <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2018, 4:25 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > Yes, but they are not "collecting" lutes I guess. They have them > because > they can play the music intended for it. > Lute collectors seem mostly wealthy amateurs :) > If I don't play an instrument enough, I give it away or sell it. > Am 17.03.2018 um 22:46 schrieb spiffys84121: > > Hmm. Are there -any- professional lute players that don't have at > > least a few lutes? > > > > S > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Ron Andrico <[1][3]praelu...@hotmail.com> > > Date: 3/17/18 6:36 AM (GMT-07:00) > > To: [2][4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de, Lutelist > <[3][5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > > Tristan and Mathais, you have hit upon a very important point. > > While > > not as expensive as they should be relative to the demanding > > craftsmanship of construction, lutes are too costly for > professional > > musicians to *collect*. That is a major hurdle to getting > lutes > > into > > the hands of budding players, and the unfortunate dynamic > creates a > > *class* of lute players that might possibly exclude young > persons > > with > > both interest and potential. > > The Lute Society (UK) has had a lute hire program for many > years > > now, > > enabling interested persons to sample an instrument. The > American > > lute > > organization has recently implemented what they call a *lute > rental* > > program, an innovation I proposed to them in 2000. I wish > they > > would > > call it a *lute access* program, placing the emphasis on > getting > > their > > growing collection of instruments into the hands of potential > > lutenists, rather than the gory details of renting them. > > When it's possible for any interested person without the cost > > barrier, > > and only then, lutes will seem normal rather than unusual, and > the > > instrument will thrive in the future. > > RA > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: [4][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > <[5][7]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on > > behalf > > of [6][8]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > <[7][9]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:55 AM > > To: Lutelist > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > Funds may be the pivotal point. For my first ten years with > the > > lute > > I > > used to play just anything on my one and only 8c lute that > Larry > > Brown > > had built for Budget Instruments Ltd. By anything I mean > anything > > (Dowland, Bach, Schubert, Wandervogel lieder, Clapton). > > When funds started to come in, I afforded a swan neck. Then > I > > discovered that an 11 was needed because swan necks aren't > best > > for > > French Baroque. Then there was that short era of > transitional > > tunings, > > requiring a 12c double neck. Finally I realised that a liuto > > attiorbato > > with single basses is not really the thing for Italian > arciliuto > > music > > which demands octave strings down to the 14th course. I omit > the > > serious reasoning for the chitarone and the angÃà ©lique. > > I could have done almost all of that music on my old 8c > lute, > > probably, > > which still is in good shape. Yet funds were available, and > so > > was > > my > > curiosity for new shores to explore. > > Mathias > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App > > --- Original-Nachricht --- > > Von: Tristan von Neumann > > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > Datum: 17.03.2018, 8:16 Uhr > > An: lutelist Net > > Some people don't have the funds to "collect lutes" :) > > I'm quite happy with 7 courses - it's amazing how just one > extra > > course > > extends the repertoire well into the 17th century, if you > don't > > mind > > playing just the upper octaves. > > Am 17.03.2018 um 02:52 schrieb spiffys84121: > > > I will play any music on lutes, if it works for that lute. > I > > believe > > in > > > using the right tool for the job-- unlike guitarists and > > pianists > > who > > > endeavor to build the whole house with just a hammer. > > > > > > My question-- do most lute players only specialize in one > > repertoire? > > I > > > play any lute music from almost the entire history of the > > lute-- > > except > > > medieval. Of course this requires multiple lutes, which > I'm > > happy > > to > > > collect and play. I go through phases, like sometimes all > I > > want > > to > > do > > > is play six course music; then all of a sudden baroque > lute is > > all > > I > > > care about in life. Right now I'm obsessed with the liuto > > attiorbato > > > which I think is the most versatile of all lutes. If for > some > > reason > > I > > > had to have only one lute, it would be an attiorbato. One > can > > play > > > hundreds of years worth of music on it(in a pinch) I'm > working > > on > > my > > > version of 'Georga on my Mind' at present. My attiorbatos > have > > a > > range > > > of 5 octaves. > > > > > > Sterling > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > From: Leonard Williams <[2][8][10]arc...@verizon.net> > > > Date: 3/16/18 3:00 PM (GMT-07:00) > > > To: [3][9][11]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > > > > I, myself, was attracted to the lute, via recorders and > other > > > early > > > instruments, because I like playing renaissance music. > What > > better > > > way > > > to enjoy it than on the instruments for which it was > written? > > If I > > > were an instructor, I would probably be more inclined to > teach > > > guitarists to read lute-tabbed recercari than to play > later > > music > > on > > > the lute. > > > Leonard > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mathias.Roesel <[4][10][12]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > > > To: [5][11][13]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > <[6][12][14]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > > Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 2:28 pm > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > Everybody is free to do with their lutes, or should be so, > what > > they > > > like best. > > > Gilbert's initial observation was, though, that some 90% > of > > this > > > tiny > > > community don't seem to be interested in newly composed > music > > for > > > the > > > lute. And I take it that he wasn't referring to the lute > > mailing > > > list > > > community exclusively, but to lute loving folks in > general. > > They're > > > fully entitled, aren't they, to not be interested. And I > hasten > > to > > > add > > > that I myself refuse to get involved in lute religious > > discussions > > > about whether or not lutes should be taken to play modern > > music. I > > > for > > > one prefer to pick up the guitar for such purposes. > > > Mathias > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App > > > --- Original-Nachricht --- > > > Von: Wayne > > > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > Datum: 16.03.2018, 18:01 Uhr > > > An: lute net > > > One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have > choices - > > we > > > all, > > > or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain > part > > of > > > our > > > repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical > guitar, > > or > > our > > > romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even > saxophone > > or > > > synth > > > in some cases. If we can choose to play Spanish music on > our > > vihuela > > > we > > > can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth. So > > maybe > > we > > > are > > > overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to > pick up > > a > > > different instrument to play something modern. Especially > when > > we > > > need > > > to be as loud as everyone else. > > > Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all > but the > > > lute? > > > Wayne > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > > From: WALSH STUART <[2][1][7][13][15]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> > > > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions > > > > Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT > > > > > > > > If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute > it is > > > surely > > > odder to only play a lute and only ever to play music that > was > > > composed > > > centuries ago. > > > > > > > > Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were > such a > > person > > > - > > > who would only, ever, play centuries' old music (however > > gem-laden > > > it > > > may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was > the > > > harmless > > > choice of a free being? > > > > > > > > There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but > perhaps > > it's > > > a > > > case of self-harm. > > > > > > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > [3][2][8][14][16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > -- > > > References > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > [3][9][15][17]http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_android_se ndma > il_f > > oot > > > [10]er.htm > > > 2. [4]mailto:[11][16][18]s.wa...@ntlworld.com > > > 3. > > [5][12][17][19]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > -- > > > References > > > 1. mailto:[13][18][20]s.wa...@ntlworld.com > > > 2. > [14][19][21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > 3. > > > > > > > > [15][20][22]http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_android_send mail > _foo > > ter. > > > htm > > > 4. mailto:[16][21][23]s.wa...@ntlworld.com? > > > 5. > [17][22][24]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > -- > > References > > 1. > > > > > [1][23][25]http://www.t-online.de/service/redir/email_app_android_sendm ail_ > foot > > er.htm > > 2. [2]mailto:[24][26]arc...@verizon.net > > 3. [3]mailto:[25][27]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > 4. [4]mailto:[26][28]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > > 5. [5]mailto:[27][29]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > 6. [6]mailto:[28][30]Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > 7. 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